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Using the lawSubmitted by rogertroll on 10 February, 2007 - 19:51.
 Only way if you want a lasting result. This is from last year where we had 16 police and 2 judges to remove 4 people from our land, the people was paid by a person in Guatemala, beat that one.... And here we go again, next 4 months, we have to this this all over again in 3 different places, Nicaragua is easy ?? yes for some it might be. ( categories: )
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No win situation.....
Everybody is related one way or the other.....and family sticks together in Nicaragua especially when they go up against a gringo in a land dispute.
family
I guess then when a nica goes to the U.S. then its ok to discriminate against them huh? Charge them more for everything? Let the police stop them for any reason? Take their house away? The judges have the right to rule against them just because they are Nica? My wife of 20 years and my son are Nicas, but because I am a gringo/Nica anything goes. Well when the government is prejudiced against me they are hurting my Nica family too. I guess maybe its a case of deep pockets which is just wrong in any country.
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Family
I guess you haven't learned there are a different set of rules in Nicaragua..(just the way it is)but having a longtime Nica family puts you in a different class and a much better position...IMO.. better to let the Nica wife handle the dicey situations.
I would
but she is disabled and cannot. Of course I know there are a different set of rules. Thats the problem, isnt it? Nicas stereotype all gringos as rich and pompous. In their eyes all gringos think they are better than Nicas and that they are fair game. And not just gringos, all extranjeros. Thank God I have my Nica friends to help me get through and around things. I believe that most of us from other countries are basically benevolent and not looking to exploit Nicaragua. There are exceptions, but they are the ones who stand out and they are the ones who set the stereotype. I dislike the exploiters too but lets face it, the few that do just exploit the country do that all over the world. Why take it out on the rest of us?
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If a typical Nicaraguan was
If a typical Nicaraguan was to look at you and see that you own 3 homes in Nicaragua, including a 5 bedroom at the beach. I think they would stereotype you pretty fast as being rich.
Then they would see that you have quite a few friends looking out for you. and that this helps you get away with many things a Nicaraguan couldn't do, even if they didn't have anything to prove this, in their eyes you are able to exploit Nicaragua through your resources ($'s)
Fortunately you don't appear to be Pompous, so thats a good thing.
Yup
we tend to have more resources... So? I have learned who I can share them with, just ask the people of Casares. Or would you rather that we just turn it all over to the people. Tell me of one Nica with some money who would do that. But of course We are gringos with a little money, not Nicas with a little money. That is the difference now isnt it??????
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just what I see
so... There is reason for a stereotype. I mean great you have money, you can do a million things that a Nica couldn't do in Nicaragua. and you expect that there shouldn't be a stereotype, when you can have everything or some of the things you desire in Nicaragua, that most in Nicaragua can't, including assistance with people that can MAKE things happen.
Arnoldo Aleman has friends and $'s. Daniel Ortega has friends and $'s. and they both give plenty to the community, but they also exploit the community. When typical Nicaraguans look at these people they see what dollars and friends can do and yet they don't have access to any of it.
I am just stating what I see. I think there is plety of reason why there are such stereotypes, it makes sense. Most in Nicaragua can't experience what you get to experience in their own country.
Yes
Do more than see. Come by and visit sometime. Come to Casares with me.
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is that
a Valentines day Poem for me? sure sounds like it.
Valentines day
Forgot it is valentines day tomorrow. Anyway I dont celebrate holidays. My wifes birthday was yesterday...I forgot. My sons birthday is on the 22nd, I will not celebrate it. Nor mine nor my mothers nor my other childrens... Want to visit? and talk about how us gringos can actually help improve the lives of la gente then come by. de las 3b 2cuadras al sur 75 varas arriba numero d-30. Phone # 266-1914
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I wasn't done what I was
I wasn't done what I was saying, haha
I would do the exact same thing as you if I had the money. That is spend some to enjoy life a bit more and help others.
The thing which bothered me was that it appeared from one of the posts that you expected Every day Jose to treat you as a Nicaraguan.
My wife which I could have considered as a typical Nicaraguan at one time, is now stereotyped by others, because she is with me. She understands it because at one time she had a similar mentality.
As of now, all I want to do is help my family, into a position that is better for us. That is to get out of this neighborhood that isn't a safe place for the family, to much traffic for the children to play on the streets, to many bars and to many drunks getting into fights in front of the house and to many ladrones jumping on the roof at night to jump to the property without a dog. So I am busy busting my tail so that I can afford our new baby on the way, and purchase a house in a livable area.
I have helped dozens of people in the past and I wish I could continue to do this, because I feel good about it and don't expect anything in return (including to not be stereotyped). For now I need to help my family, later with time and money, I will continue to help others.
Now why is it that you don't celebrate Birthdays?
I dont celebrate birthdays
because they are just another reason for the retailers to say thay you have to buy something or feel guilty. Its all boolshit. I love my kids and family and just do not want them to be taken advantage of by feeling they have to give me something and I do not want to be taken advantage of by them either. I help them when I can and it does not depend on which holiday it is. Feeling good about what you do is a trap. Do it because it is just what you want to do.
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Birthdays are not about
Birthdays are not about Helping someone, they are about celebrating someone. and no one says that you have to buy presents, but it is a great day to recognize someone just a bit more than usual.
The selfish part of me says, if helping someone didn't make me feel good, I wouldn't do it. However the other half of me says that I just want to do it, because its the right thing to do.
I do celebrate those of my family
But No one is going to tell me how or when. When a daughter for example needs me to help her with a divorce I will help her with advice that I have gained over the years. If she needs money for lawyers I will help but with advise also. Anyway dont be selfish. The right thing to do is most important (at least that is what I think). Cut the part that makes you feel good because that is the part that gives you a reward. If you really want to do it because it is the right thing to do then You do not need the reward for it. You just do it.
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you're not alone there Bob
you're not alone there Bob, it took some convincing but, my family got onto the same track. Of course now I have nothing for the yard sale ; )
Judges in Nica
I know of a lawyer in Nicaragua who makes $200.00 a month working for a company. What does a judge make a month? If you work in Taco Bell you can make $1000.00 a month in USA no problem. Payment to judges is almost part of the equation or process to get things done. Otherwise things don't get done they get postponed like the 960+ properties still in dispute from 1980. The property law is a minefield where the gringo has the disadvantage however in criminal law the gringo has the decided advantage because of resources and the lack of stepping out to far to offend the foreign investment (mostly real estate) machine. Forget the guilt or innocence but the USA guy on trial for murder in Rivas was released to house arrest and his alledged co-conspirator local Nica is still locked up in jail. I am sure that this has some locals upset on top of the crime itself.
Maybe
The gringo was innocent and shouldn't have been arrested in the first place. I understand he was in Managua at the time...... Are you suggesting that because he is a gringo that he is not innocent? And why would he rape his girlfriend? He was already getting it, no?
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I dont agree
This is not family, it's about a man that has been compensated, which he accepted, now in Guatemala hiring back alley lawyers to intimidate people to move, using guns and ruff behavior.
We demand that the law is the same for King Salomon as it should be for his shoemaker, we follow the law, we are not paying anybody, and we are still winning, but to slow.
Time is of no value for some croocks, but it has to me, I have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, but I will still beat them.
We are " gringo look alike ) but are actually los ultimo vikingos. Any family with Norman ?
Roger
On the same page..
If there's one thing that I hate about Nicaragua, it has to be the laws... In Estelí, an individual (who so happens to be great friends with a few influential judges- who, not surprisingly, are die-hard Sandinistas) actually built three walls in one of our properties and then had the audacity to file a suit and demand payment for his expenses. The judge, trying to retain her bias while complying with the law, created a court order forbidding this individual from coming close to the property..
Rather than abstain from invading our property, as mandated by law and the court appointed order, the individual decided to buy more materials and store them on the land. At this point, we decided to have a security company (Servimat, for those of you in Esteli/Matagalpa) take action against the man (or his henchmen, for that matter), should he continue to pursue his unlawful activities.... That was two years ago. Although the man has no longer built anything on our property (we have someone living there now), the dispute has not legally ended, a clear demonstration of the inefficiency in our country's legal system.... a legal system which is overwhelmingly run by a certain party which allowed this kind of thing to happen to begin with.
The law system essentially allows this to occur, because the police are useless and corrupt (although I suspect that this is a function of their salaries); thus, there's no one to enforce these supposed laws..
Thanks for posting this, Roger.. Excellent post.
Parties
I sympathize with your situacion and is no fan of that party you refer to but that party is not so different from others when it comes to doing nothings about this activity. This is a common problem in most Latin countries though that is not to say is is not for worse in some places than others. I do not know the details of how such things work in esteli nicaragua but in many other countries it is truly a courtroom problem not a policeroom problem be cause the police are mostly just messengers and people handlers at least if the person you are going against is not insanely wealthy. In many places it does not matter if the police are generally not being paid to break the law because the judge is what really matters. I hope things work out for you.
Good point, however..
Thanks for the response and your best wishes.
"truly a courtroom problem not a policeroom problem be cause the police are mostly just messengers and people handlers at least if the person you are going against is not insanely wealthy."
Who enforces laws in a country? Do judges actually go out and detain people? This is a point that cannot be ignored.
Judges, or judicial representatives, regardless of geographic location, depend on national security representatives to enforce their laws/decisions. When the unscrupulous Byron Jerez was ordered to present himself in court, did any of the primarily Sandinista judges go out to get him?
"In many places it does not matter if the police are generally not being paid to break the law because the judge is what really matters."
- If the police are not being paid properly, then, as fyl seconded, there is a shortage of resources and bribes begin to occur. Since judges don't actually act, they depend on these now paid agents to enforce their laws. If someone pays them to turn the eye, then nothing is done (there is no law enforcement). Therefore, although I agree that ultimately what matters is the judge, we cannot underestimate the importance of the ill-funded (and trained) officers.
Gracias nuevamente.
enforce
Who enforces a law can depend on what country your are in. Agains I is not an expert on property claims in Esteli/Nicaragua. In some countries the police who follow a judge warrant or decision are different from the police you see on the street every day and it is a more serious matter. The boss of those police oftens answers to the same boss as the judge so it is more complicated and less likely to be a battle one against the other. My English was not perfect on that last claim you reproduced. I did not mean situations where the police are not being paid properly. I meant that even if police are being bribed (manie police who are paid properly take bribes all the time so it is not as though there are only two categories of what could happen) it is not necessarily a lost cause because of the power the judge has. Bribing police is usually more useful to a guilty common or violent criminal than a innocent person dealing with paperwork and false documents or such. Depends on the country. The problem you are describing happens every week to a gringo in every central american country though. No consolation I am sure to anyone who wastes money keeping what was theirs or even worse actuallie loses.
I second that
I think pinoleroafm is confusing "politically corrupt" with "underfunded". From all my dealings with the police here, while they individually have their political preferences and, at least in Estelí, more often than not that means FSLN, I have found them to be fair.
On the other hand, underfunded presents two problems.
Judges, on the other hand, concern me.
gas and food
was supplied to the Police, we perfectly understand their situation.
Judges is another story, if you dont have somebody over them again to steer them strait, you will usually loose, payoff is common all the way we want them to follow the law, and that is difficult when the other party have dumped a sack of dollars in to the case.
I empathize with you!
We're playing the same game (almost) in Ochomogo. It's no wonder gringos gravitate towards each other. One has to have someone to hang out with to commiserate. See ya' over a few beers soon, hon!
We should have those beers soon.
And check each others' notes. I need to speed up the eviction of the ladrona who is trying to steal my wife's house which has been in her family for 20 years.
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Bob, good to go
when you are! Give us a call before Roger gets drug back to the grindstone.