Pearl Lagoon is for sale

Another scam? Is Peter Tsokas (sp?) behind this? Or possible legit?

http://www.viviun.com/AD-66987/

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NONE OF THE LAND

Anywhere in the world is for sale, you rent it improve it which increases the value and you pay taxes on it.,

and you keep good relations with your neighbors so they don't BURN you out...

People who deal with the local populas on their forighen terms generaly lose their shirt and then want to cry about it rather than learn and profit from the lesson.

it is called trying to do something in someone elses back yard without doing their homework...

SORRY but that is how it is...

I can do thing's others caint.. THE learning curve Baby...

Lyin' Farmer John Wayne

True

Many of the land for sale in the RAAS require a bit of diplomacy. For example some lots for sale require, or rather "it is recommened" that the buyer pay a yearly fee or Tax to the local community. That is true in some parts of Pearl Lagoon and Monkey Point and would have een been a good strategy with the Cays. This is not because the comunity owns the land, but rather because it is good to get the community on the your side (being the buyer or the seller). This has many obvious advantages. The trouble usually is how to get this tax to the community itself not just in the pockets of the community leaders.

That explains your attitude......

You're a real estate salesman pushing lots in Monkey Point.......How are sales going...???... Punta Mono is a nice place to visit but wouldn't want to live there unless your names Robinson Crusoe.....That was my whole point about buying land in the RAAS...Autonomous region...if things don't work out forget about the Central Government Courts helping you out....Action Certificates might be the only way to get the good guys on your side.........You can call that negative if you want...I call it being Realistic...

["it is good to get the community on your side"] In Monkey Point you BETTER have the community on your Side...and you better make sure it stays that way...that is a mandatory....You make it all sound like a cake walk...and it's far from it.......Pirates in that neck of the woods also.....

Totally Off

You proved why you can only earn a living by getting a salary. Your logic is so flawed that I wonder how you did on your SATs if you got that far.

In addition you are obviously not very well informed (you information is probably from the early 90s), and/or are totally useless in digesting current information.

Re:Totally on....

My information comes from experience.....Sounds to me like yours comes second hand......I figured you were a Real Estate Agent with an agenda..... Monkey Point would not be a place any Gringo would want to live unless they are the Robinso Curusoe type....Alot of people on this site that know the area would back that up.....Can't argue with a know it all know nothing Real Estate agent.....I Just feel sorry for the people that take your line of B.S. seriously....

Now let add some USEFUL info

for those who want to learn some decent information about what Nicaragua (the Central Government) is doing. As I mentioned in a previous post, the government is addressing the issue of unknown community land boundaries (Demarcacion) according to article 40 of law 445 and the formation of CONADETI(Article 41), a commission which will redraw those boundaries. This work is going on as we speak in many areas.

The law further goes to say in article 35 that: http://www.elaw.org/resources/text.asp?id=1516

Arto. 35. Los derechos de propiedad y ocupación histórica de las comunidades indígenas y étnicas prevalecerán sobre títulos emitidos a favor de tercero que nunca las han poseído y que a partir de 1987 pretendan ocuparlas

The rights to the property and the hostorical posession/occupation of said property by Indigenous and ethnic communities, will prevail over titles issued to third parties (Private owners) who NEVER had posession or have posession satrting only in 1987...

This means, as interpreted by lawyers in Nicaragua (I can give you references if you wish) that any titles older than 1987 as long as you had possession.

Now to the real problems... The communities are asking for HUGE tracts of land as their own. For example:

Pearl Lagoon is asking for over 700,000 hectares of communal land (from the original 3000 given to them)and are claiming everything down and around El Bluff to just north of Rama Cay and east of Bluefields... (But not including Patche River, which was the subject of the original post)

Tasbapobni is asking for about the same but starting at the north and with a huge area of conflict with Pearl Lagoon.

The Rama are claiming everything from Rama cay to the border with Costa Rica (including Grey town)

CONADETI Job is to decipher those claims and draw out the new boundaries. All private titles as outlined in article 35 are respected. So in fact there are HUGE tracts of land are very clean and can be owned by anyone... The suggestion that one pays a tax to the community was made to give a benefit back to the communities. The posts Gordo made are ill informed and useless, except for the fact that one has to be careful, like anywhere else in Nicaragua. HUGE investments were lost or are tied up in court battles on the Pacific. There are far fewer problems (Dollar wise) on the Atlantic.. Just do your homework before you buy.

Tasbaponi...

Your pushing land in Tasbaponi also??? Thats a huge majority Miskito village and the only Gringos that could make it there are the Farmer John Wayne types......Just like dirtbag said..["you too could have a piece of Nigeria for next to nothing"] ......LOL

Of course Corn island....Certain areas in Bluefields , Pearl Lagoon and Rama have some decent properties.

Thats the key to Success......Tranquilo

Especialy in Port you want to keep good relations with your neighbors, if you can acomplish that 24/7 365 days a year you can go places.......I got to hand it you...not many people could do what you do..

Pearl Lagoon

I have no idea about Pearl Lagoon. I can tell you that personally, I'd stay away from Tsokos. Although, I've never met him. I can tell you that I own a lot on Corn Island that I bought from my BEST friend who lives there in Nica. My friend Garry and Peter Vincent Fox are very close. In fact, they own a rodeo in Bluefields together as well as a farm with horses, cows, etc. They also own some riverfront property that I've not seen. The "farm property" is beautiful and is along a road that is supposed to be paved soon and would link Managua to Bluefields. They gotta a lotta work to do as I rode this on horseback about a year ago. Peter Fox has been maligned for his alignment with Tsokos. I don't know what happened. I tend to judge people as I get to know them personally. From riding Peter's horses, him picking up the bar tabs, and seeing how he treats his family as well as conducts his business, I can only tell you that he is FIRST CLASS all the way. Maybe I'm naive, but Garry and I have been best friends since 1985. We grew up here in Charleston, South Carolina. He has other property for sale aside from Corn Island on the west coast. Llegitimate!

Who can resist

seems like the seller went to a lot of trouble and effort to "Hype" the product...low money down...you too could have a piece of Nigeria for next to nothing...sorry..I meant Nicaragua.

Patch River

Patch River (or Patche River as it is written in older Bluefields' Registery books) is located off of the lagoon towards the west. It is an area of large farms and plantations. There are several farms with large tracts of land from 300 to 1000+ Hectares. I know several of them. Although I do not know this property, the location of it, Patch River, make sound more credible and legit (but do your home work first). There are many very good properties on the Atlantic coast, including Peter Tsokos lands and Islands. The one thing I am sure of is that he and his lawyer, Peter Martinez, will not get involved in anything that is not a clean title. And no, Peter Martinez is not my lawyer, and Tosokos is not a friend of mine, but I do know them both.

Granada boy....

I don't want to sound negative.....But alot of the ("many very good properties on the Atlantic Coast") Are properties that you can pay for but never will own them.....The Atlantic Coast is an autonomous region.... You buy an island be prepared to share it....How did a Canadian from Granada become such an expert on land sales on the Atlantic Coast???? If I was interested in a parcel I sure wouldn't run out and buy something on your "credible and legit" recomendations.. Buying property and settling on the Coast is for foreigners who definately know what they are doing....Thats my opinion hope it's not too negative for ya....

I will ignore your

use of the word "Boy" and what it says about you.

If you bothered to do your homework instead of you just repeating what you hear, you would know (or at least you would SAY, if you already knew) that there are numerous properties that are VERY clean and there are some that are exactly that, community properties.

You really seem that you have issues with the Coast... You were probably involved in some unsuccessful ventures that left you bitter...

LOL...

Nothing to do with what I heard...Comes with hands on experience..

Sorry to dissapoint you but never involved in any ventures myself...I collect a straight salary....But I have seen quite a few Gringos get burned by getting involved with some ("VERY clean")deals.

Now I understand your

source of bitterness.. You are one of those Wanna Be's! You are one of those who belittle everyhing because you could it do it yourself! Your Hands on experience is about wathcing others go for things you only wished you could do. You could not do what others were doing, and probably felt sorry for yourself so you looked and celebrated others' failures. And you continue to do so...

You have said enough about yourself, you do not need a Bio anymore....

You proved yourseld the type of person I typically ignore...

Nope........

I just like to make sure everyones is aware of guys like you.... Dime a Dozen.....

Looks like all the bitterness is coming from a guy(you)who doesn't like the Truth to get in the way of his agenda....

Experience

Gordo I know you have plenty of time on the Coast, so does Sherif. He is talking from experience..

Re:Experience

I don't doubt it and know you have plenty of experience yourself..And you also know that settling on the Coast isn't as easy as it sounds. Some places on the Coast would be great others would be a disaster...Im definately not trying to discourage anyone just saying it's not as easy as it sounds....

Gordo "Boy" ..

Sherif does know what he is talking about. He is connected and has relevant contacts in Bluefields.

And his bio says a lot more about him than yours does. Something you don't want to share perhaps?

"Pompous" Tom ..

Connected with who ? ? ? The Bluefields Land Barons ? LOL

Jeez..

I was hoping everyone would forget about that :-).

He didn't get it right ?

this is another one?

This is different from....

What HCC said ///...,,,LOL

Lyin' Farmer John Wayne

Is it?

I thought it was about land in Pearl Lagoon for sale. Or is it about you bashing total strangers about whom you know nothing?

Correct

Even in the best of situations it would not be easy. Life on the Atlantic is difficult to say the least.

I can't condemn any one for trying....

And if anyone makes an investment without doing their homework...

They deserve to get F###ed.

I have to laugh at ads like this because it IS and ISN'T completely true....

just well worded...

Lyin' Farmer John Wayne

This is the best part... ha ha ha!

HOSPITALITY - CULTURE In the Atlantic coast of Nicaragua, visitors and investors receive "preferential treatment" by the local people. This happens because local people, not only welcome foreign investment but they are also very hospitable. This is a very open-minded society, culturally diverse that welcomes visitors and potential investors

Preferential Treatment

By the Rock men....Drunks and the hanger ons......

You seem

to have issues with the Atlantic Coast... But since you profile doe nto say anything about you or who you are, I can't be sure... But your negativity is amazing...

POSITIVE

Wish we could all shine through with the same Positivity as Granada boy.....But after reading your profile I am simply amazed.........And will try harder next time.......(not to sound negative)......

Sherif

Don't know him from Adam, but do know that he has more interest on the Atlantic than Granada. He may suprise you with his knowledge of Bluefields.