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HEY!?!

Who IS this "J", anyway? I clicked for his bio, but it came up "Page Not Found"? I know the pic is from last year, but does anyone remember him?

cmoore

egads, do you ever have ANYTHING nice to say or are you just Ms Negitivity?

You're kidding,

right? Heh - talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Honey, YOU take the cake! (Snickering as I leave...jejeje...)

whaooo..

cat fight!

Jaja...

funny guy!

Neat picture.

Neat picture. For those who don't know: This picture shows a typical central american green mountain. It has been deforested or denuded. All the old growth hardwood lumber that once grew on it was cut down a long time ago and sold. It is still pretty because it is green and has some small trees, but once it was covered with mahogany trees or other valuable high quality hardwood. You can see where part of the land has slid away due to the lack of tree roots that would hold the soil in place. This erosion may have been the result of a mudslide that occurred during the rainy season.

Makes sense

As we have re-invented this post from long ago, let me take a shot at it. After all, I do happen to know where this is. I took a photo in the same location but not this shot as I wanted to avoid the political scribbling.

The location in question is on the highway between Matagalpa and Jinotega. It is on the Matagalpa side of the mountains you travel over. Being from Estelí where the hillsides are brown half the year or more because of deforestation, I took a photo here because this area seems to be green most of the time. Based on how green it is, I would say this photo was taken during the rainy season.

As for what kind of trees were there, I don't know. But, this is about as close as you get to Matagalpa before deforestation is pretty much the norm. As it is still very rural, I doubt the hillside was deforested by locals collecting firewood.

All that said, please go plant a tree for Nicaragua. That's what I am doing in Estelí.

Your right HCC

When I am driving between Eureka and San Francisco I have to look at lots of hills like that. Miles sometimes of clear-cuts and erosion. Sure breaks up all those boring red woods and other forested parts.

You assume much...

... that the hillside in question "once [it] was covered with mahogany trees or other valuable high quality hardwood."

... and that "All the old growth hardwood lumber that once grew on it was cut down a long time ago and sold."

FACT: mahogany trees and/or other valuable high quality hardwood do not grow EVERYWHERE in Central America, let alone EVERYWHERE in Nicaragua.

The hillside could just have easily been covered in non-valuable trees of no commercial value.

Perhaps, even tho this couldn't possibly fit your world view, the campesinos cut all the lumber to use as a cheap source of fuel to cook. Perhaps campesinos cut all the lumber to make chosas.

But no, you have to postulate "for those who don't know" based on very little information other than a photo of an area not even identified.

Have you ever even set foot in Nicaragua?

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"If you are sure you understand everything that is going on, you are hopelessly confused. ~~ Walter F. Mondale"

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I admit to taking poetic

I admit to taking poetic license here, citing this particular eroded hillside as an example of deforestation - your intimation is correct - I am not familiar with this particular hillside. This does not negate my assertion that most of the hardwoods of Nicaragua have been cut and sold or, more appropriately, stolen. They were not renewed, replanted or replaced in any way. Though I have not been to Nicaragua, I have met and spoken at lenght in Spanish with many people from Nicaragua in Costa Rica and also here. I have been to the Guanacaste region of Costa Rica which was once a part of Nicaragua. In Costa Rica, one finds many mountains like the one in this picture. Gazing down from on high into the valleys one can see where rivers are hidden from view by tree growth. The riverbeds are lined with trees. In Costa Rica, it was made illegal to cut trees at riverbanks. I wonder if the same law exists in Nicaragua.

Poetic license?

No, just your usual distortion of facts. It is admirable that you have spoken at length (in Spanish no less!) with many people from Nicaragua in Costa Rica. That and $5 will get you a latte at Starbucks but that is probably the most "research" you have ever done on any topic ever in your life.

"this does not negate my assertion that most of the hardwoods of Nicaragua have been cut and sold or, more appropriately, stolen."

Your cluelessness is palpable.

Your assertion is semi-correct -- in the '80s the F$LN clear-cut millions of board feet of lumber to trade for hard-currency. The lumber went first to Cuba and then was sold to the Eastern bloc.

Now, this will be difficult for you, because you hate reality more than anything else. Nicaragua has approximately 40 billion board feet of precious hardwoods growing, thriving, living, uncut, unmolested. And many efforts are being made all over the country to preserve the resource while deriving economic benefits. Recent article describing same. BTW, our own mupitara, with over 30 years of experience in RAAN, resident of Alamikamba (NoWhere), and degreed professional in forestry knows these people well and is aware of dozens of similar programs. Of course, you spoke at length with people (in Spanish!) so you probably know better.

You might try actually visiting Nicaragua and see it for yourself rather than spewing your negative world view as "fact".

From your earlier "poetic license" reality distorting post, you comment on that eco-paradise of Costa Rica (my home for 2.5 years). You might try reading my trip report Down the Rio San Juan to the Sea, posted here on NL in March of this year. To save you the effort, since you so hate to research anything, I quote myself:

" * That Eco “Paradise” – Costa Rica

I would be remiss if I didn’t spend a minute comparing, contrasting and blasting that eco-paradise to our south, Costa Rica…

The Sarapiqui river smelled bad and it was green. Think of a bright green shade that looked totally unnatural. But that wasn’t the only thing I noticed. For at least 100 kms, the Costa Rican side of the Rio San Juan is pasture land. The trees are GONE and there is only grass and cows with very few people but lots and lots of cattle. We spent most our time looking at the Nicaraguan side which is pristine virgin forest, full of what Nature intended: bugs, plants, birds, mammals, and jungle.

Whomever was in charge of marketing Costa Rica as an “eco paradise” should either win a Nobel Prize in BS or be shot. I’d vote for both. The contrast between CR and Nicaragua on the Rio San Juan is startling and sad but am very happy to say that MY Nicaragua wins the eco paradise prize hands-down!"

And just in case that was too much effort for you, you can also look at what a beautiful job Costa Rica has done preserving the environment on the Rio San Juan.

So, to sum up: You know nothing. You propound many things, but you haven't the vaguest idea of reality.

Your "poetic license" is hereby revoked.

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"If you are sure you understand everything that is going on, you are hopelessly confused. ~~ Walter F. Mondale"

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Costa Rica

I wish i had a dollar for every person i have meet in San Juan Del Sur who went to costa rica first and bought a place to live.In conversation they have said to me " I wish I had come to Nicaragua first I would not be in Costa Rica"

Facts behind the rumors

I suggest checking out http://gbgm-umc.org/nwo/01so/nicaragua.html which gives a reasonably factual story of deforestation in Nicaragua with comparison to El Salvador.

I was going to quote from it but no matter what I said it would be called a distortion by someone. I primarily focuses on causes of deforestation from 1945 on and I can assure you there are a lot more important considerations than Cuba wanting trees.

The sky is melting the ice is falling the trees are all gone

Well, maybe not. There might actually be some hope after all:

"Forests are branching out across the planet anew, raising hopes that an end to deforestation may be in sight, a new study claims.

The study suggests that deforestation is not as drastic as it once was and that forests are recovering in many countries."

Read all about it at National Geographic News.

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"If you are sure you understand everything that is going on, you are hopelessly confused. ~~ Walter F. Mondale"

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Mondale quote.

Walter must have said that after he lost the election by more states than anyone has ever done before or after.

You mean . . .

Trees grow back????

How can that be? That's the worst news an environmentalist can possibly hear! If deforestation isn't a problem after all, is it possible that global warming isn't real, either?

Trees do grow back

but we do have the ability to cut them faster than they can grow back. I am glad if reforestation is happening at a faster rate. But neither the problem nor the solution is that simple. Yes we can cut down a tree and replace it with a new baby tree, but the impact on the environment lasts for many years with far reaching impacts on water resources, animals, etc. The most vocal environmentalists are unrealistic in most of their solutions (human use of natural resources will continue to grow and they have to accept that) but those on the other side of the discussion have to accept that just replacing a tree with a tree will not solve the deeper impacts (but it will look good on an annual report). We need to continue to look at efficient and new ways to recycle materials, conserve and clean water, and create power that has lowered environmental impact.

As for global warming, for me the issue isn't if it's real, but what is the cause and what may the real impact be. Is it a natural cycle that we have to accept? It is caused by CO2 and other man-made impacts on the environment? I suspect it's both.

trees and etc.

You are right Zen if the population keeps growing and we only use lumber to build the new homes the tree won't be able to keep up.

Luckily we have other ways to build and they are being used more every day. Most commercial buildings and many new homes have very little lumber in them. Steel framing made from melted down old automobiles take the place of 2x4's and they are termite proof. Cement and rebar continue to be used in place of timber.

If the globe does get warm enough we can all live in tents, that should save a few trees. Experts don't seem to be able to agree about global warming but I think that many do agree that if the globe is warming it is too late for humans to do anything about it if they ever could have.

To late for human to do anything about it?

They have done plenty already.

NICALIBRE Jacko

Plant more trees

then pray you didn't plant so many we go the other way.

There may be more oil than we thought, too

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington//16012061.htm

I'm convinced there's global warming. I'm also convinced global cooling has happened, and will happen again. And again. It's happened since the world began, in cycles. Nothing we can do about it. Humans have been around for only a tiny fraction of Earth's lifetime so we're lucky we've lived this long. We're tiny specs of dust in a vast universe.

Is that the Wickersham brothers I hear chanting? "Beezlenut, rah rah!"

I agree

that global warming has happened in the past and is a cycle, but I do have a concern that our impact will make it more severe. We are just tiny specs of dust in the overall scheme of things, but we are specs of dust with much power to modify tings.

Gotta stop burning fossil fuels...

We are putting too much carbon into our environment. I worry for our children.

Wooden Heads

I guess Pompano Tom clicked on the link. I wonder if anyone else will check it out. Seems like many people simply listen to what Rush Limbaugh says and that provides them with what they wish to know. Limbaugh says that volcanoes expel more CO2 than cars, so its quite alright for cars (multiplied exponentially worldwide) to keep on spewing CO2. Sounds logical to me. Deforestation has occurred since the dawn of man, but it has made significant progress since early boatbuilding began. Once valuable hardwoods could be shipped to distant buyers, wood products gained market demand and higher prices and on and on. Not many corporations would hesitate to exploit wood products whenever they can do it legally or when nobody is looking or if a bribe or two can buy what they want. This has been going on for centuries, but don't take my word for it. I have never been to Nicaragua.

hardwood

I hate to see virgin rain forest being destroyed before we even have a chance to inventory it but mahogany and most other hardwoods are crops and they can be grown again.

http://www.ivafms.com/projectDetails.asp?projcode=FOR

Wooden nickels

Circumstantial evidence leads me to believe you've never once listened to the Rush Limbaugh show.

Interesting....

article.

Damn Marty!!!!

I owe you a Few Cervezas for such a great response, Nicaragua it's proud and very fortunate to have folks like yourself :-).

Lately on this site there has been a bunch of experts(Trolls),that probably have never set foot in Nicaragua as well,their aim it's at bashing Nicaragua.

Good job Padre :-), will see you soon my friend.

FAP

Bravo,

pda, bravo!!!

Let me get this straight...

A title about "political goons" and a picture of a hillside posted by a person whose bio is shown as "page not found".

Hairball then talks to those of us who "do not know" pontificates about trees (that he never saw) that grew on this site (never seen) and the denudification of this hill (never been there) during the rainy season (never experienced). He has never been to this site and has never been to the country.

Then we get a lecture about termites and other organisms from a person who buys leather jackets from Pakistan sweat shops and sells them to bikers.

Then we get an admission of lack of personal familiarity with Nicaragua due to the fact that he has never been there. Or the "fact" that this picture could have been taken in West Virginia. However "poetic license" is OK coming from such a learned individual.

Then we get a blast on the "Radical Right" changing Nicaraguan history claiming that the radical right says that the wood was sent to Cuba. All this, when I personally know the man whose timber was cut (plantation destroyed) and stolen by the Sandinistas under Ortega and shipped to Cuba.

JFC! (PM me for translation).

Arrogant pontification by ill informed indiviuals.

Sorry if this will be construed as a "personal attack" but this site has been diminished by those who seek only to broadcast their political views and have no real interest in Nicaraguan issues.

And this blog is a good example.

PS Do not infer that I am for clear cutting of forests or creating erosion issues for profit. That is too easy.

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res ipsa loquitor

trees

Well dont count on the Radicals from the right going along with this, they have perculiar way of trying to change Nicaraguan history. Lets see I could see someone claiming the hills were always bare or is it that all the houses in Cuba were built from stolen Nicaraguan lumber.

Funny

I cain't see a single stump I imagine there would have been one left..

Lyin' Farmer John Wayne

Termites

Termites, other insects, wood destroying organisms, fungi and other life forms had their way with those stumps many years ago. A little known fact is that carpenter ants do not eat wood. The carpenter ant is an enemy of the termite. These ants eat termites and their eggs and then occupy the spaces left by termites.

Carpenter Ants, a close relation to AdamAnt

How close?

I never liked the Carpenters that much but I think I prefer them to the Carpenter Ants.

"Charlie Tee don't drink no beer". What kind of ant is that?

I guess not that close...

AdamAnt likes his cervezas!

termites are not a problem or a solution

Underwater stumps or trees submerged when a dam is built are unaffected by termites or fungi and will still be there tangling up fishing lines almost forever.

And yet he still digs,

deeper and deeper. Has he ever posted reliable information, even once?