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A little unwanted noterietySubmitted by Former NL Member on 26 October, 2006 - 07:15.
Nicaragua votes today whether to totally outlaw abortion. It made US headlines. "Leaders of the leftist Sandinista National Liberation Front and the ruling right-wing Liberal Alliance have said their representatives will vote for the proposal. The two groups control all but one seat in the 92-member legislature." ( categories: )
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Protests!
Yes, but I was heartened to note just a few minutes ago that there are unexpectedly large protests in Managua as this thing comes to vote.
Good to hear
that! Keep up posted, will you?
the boat solution
I lived in Texas 15 years (yes, I am Very Very Sorry that happened) and often considered the obvious business opportunity presented by the anti-abortionists. I wanted to have a small cruise boat leave Houston with a couple hundred pregnant women, visit various Caribe islands and return with same but unpregnant ladies.
There is a LOT of money in this one.
Of course, the Republicans would start issuing Passports to fetus's at point of conception so it wouldn't really work. Can you imagine a Republican standing in the bedroom during the act with a passport application form in his (and it would be HIS) hand? DNA printouts for the photograph? Pregnancy tests at the dockside? What next? Chastity belts and an application form to unlock one? Daily pregnancy tests for all women under the age of 98?
John, how many unwanted babies have you adopted - or is that someone elses job? Someone elses time; someone elses money? The prospective mother doesn't want all this so who carries the can? Get your wallet out.
In Nicaragua, the unwanted carry shoe shine boxes on their backs, work the trash dumps, beg on the streets. Yes, John, we need many more people like that. Or did you think unwanted offspring were all adopted by rock stars and became rocket scientists and brain surgeons? Pass anti abortion laws by all means - but accept the consequences. (You can look up 'consequences' in a dictionary)
Curious
Exactly how (and why) did you conclude what my personal view was on this issue? Or are you just trolling? Is that the Quaker way?
A side note
Be careful, everyone. We wouldn't want to impose our will on Nicaragua. They should be allowed to make their own political decisions even if we gringos don't agree with them.
I don't know
why some men are voting on a woman's issue. Only the Nicaraguan women should vote to change that legislation as they see fit.
The Church!
Have you been to any church functions in Nicaragua recently?
I have attended several different church functions, more for family and friends, rather than myself. Im not so religous myself, haha.
I went to an interesting one (not Catholic Church) where, people would interpret parts of the bible and tell everyone how to think. This one guy stood up and asked for all the women to give him their full attention. This made me curious to know what he was about to say. He said "that women should not wear lycra, tight jeans, or any other revealing clothing, BECAUSE it will be their fault when they are raped." He also said that because the women dressed like this, it makes men look at them, makes the men be unfatheful to their spouse and such." WHAT A NUT! ... I almost laughed. Then everyone did the "Amen" to what he said, even the women. I had to leave at that point.
Look at the Catholic church and how they support such an immoral man like Ortega.
I have even talked with several priests and pasteurs in Nicaragua with my wife. This is my observations, they did not look my wife directly in the eye, when talking to her, avoided talking to her rather put their effort in talking to me and gave me the full attention.
There was one exception to this, an extremely old priest at a Catholic church in Managua (Don Bosco Church).
The church believes the Man runs the house in Nicaragua, I don't know about elsewhere in the world (Not being religous myself). The house being Nicaragua.
Men and The Chuch....Heath Services Threatened
An old old story.Women were burned...their property stolen....no woman was allowed to have any power over anything including her own body. Pretty cowardly if you ask me....It has always been and still is fear. Midwives were banned...and the "new" physicians killed millions of women (and infants !)with their stupid arrogance. Women used to be able to take care of one another...that threatened the power of the churc and the male hierarchy. Without women...no birth...no nurturing...no nourishment. That is pretty powerful. Somewhwre along the line...the balance got really out of whack. Maybe when men realized women could get along fine..... Hildegard VonBingen would have been burned at the stake had she not been protected in a convent. Her work exists to this day...she was a genius. In Africa they horribly mutilate young girls...one must ask WHY ? Personally..I do not believe a woman wants to abort any child.....it is something very hard to put into words.he feelings...the aftermath. But....what is done to support her...not to just birth and give a child up...that is cruel. Women are not rent-a-wombs. If people and the church REALLY cared...every pregnant woman would be care for supported, pampered, respected and assured that she and her her child would not be thrown out. And....in a place where the care is so poor and sporadic....my God.....So much can happen without top care.....it is just overwhelming. Some very simple things...medications and equipment can save lives...but....Nicaragua does not have the rsources for this. Here I am...blah blah...but...I have seen the abuses of lax laws !!! It isn't nice and man doctors,clincis and hospitals made big money. It was heartwrenching. . I lost a job due to protesting. But...the scary part about the 180 turn is that forbidding intervention of ay sort...wil result iloss of life..where infants no way could be saved or viable. Because Doctors and Nurses are going to be so scared.... When I discussed my work and plans for health services...I was asked "Do you deliver babies ?"...everyone was so excited. Yes..but guess what...now....no...I don't want anything to do with that. It is to scary in the heat of what is going on. Unless.I choose to take the risk of being accused of a capital crime should I help a girl in premature labor and the infant is dead or dies. I have cousins..priests..nuns...but being a health care provider seems to go against the church . I'l join an order...so be it. I am not up to this again. Willow
If the church
sez so....'The power of christ compels you!'
Well,
the same situation exists here in the US, doesn't it? It absolutely infuriates me how this "personal decision by/for a woman" has become such an issue for men. It's no one else's business but the woman's.
Well,
God help the female population of Nicaragua if it does pass. This law will apply to ANY reason for an abortion, including pregnancy as a result of rape, incest or even if the mother's life is compromised. To me, this law IS a sin, and in the case of saving the mother's life, a crime of humanity. You'll see a return to home-made abortions and the deaths of those who undergo them. Yes, it has happened in Nicaragua, as well as here in the US.
amen to all of the above
i am thankful that i am past the age where i have to worry about this, and that my daughter does not have to worry about unwanted pregnancies, but there are so many others who do.
i have been thinking for a long long time that this world has gone insane, and this is just more evidence.