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Why A Nicaraguan Would Be Pro-SandinistaSubmitted by fyl on 19 July, 2006 - 11:50.
This is a look at why many Nicaraguans were and still are pro-Sandinista. It is not intended to be a political debate or an FSLN (or MRS) endorsement. The information is based on talking to Nicaraguans about their situation. I welcome similar pieces for other parties and "non-parties". I feel it would be very helpful for people not not in Nicaragua to help understand political realities. First, the assumption is that we are talking about what a political party says they want to do. As I have never seen a party of "non-liars", I see no reason to put a discussion of "what they say vs. what they do" here. The people I have talked to have lived here all their life with the possible exception of no more than 2 years in another country (US or Costa Rica). Only one wants to leave Nicaragua (for the US). They vary in age from 24 to 70s. Most are (but not all) relatively poor. Some rural, some living in Esteli proper. As for real property ownership they vary from nothing to "my parents own ..." to a house or small farm. One owns a house with "questionable" title because there was a confiscation and then subsequent sale(s). The most common complaint is that the national government does nothing here and, for the most part, never did. The exception was the Sandinista efforts in the early 1980s to create more access to education and health care. In addition, some mentioned benefiting from improvement in working contitions (labor laws) from the same period. Most of these people are not anti-US government. That is, they don't say "I didn't have anyting to eat 20 years ago because of the US embargo." My opinion is that they just didn't see what was happening on a "world level" just like US citizens in the 1980s didn't see what the US was doing in Nicaragua. They just saw local problems. This quote from David Chandler in January 1985 (http://www.davidchandler.com/writings/Nica.htm) helped fill in some blanks.
Some other interesting items in this article help frame the opinions
You need to realize that Somoza left Nicaragua with a large foreign debt (which the Sandinistas agreed to assume). Thus, people had jobs but had to buy food. Many people who didn't have any land said they had worked for others but there was really no way they would ever "move up". If someone acquired land it was almost always given to them by a parent or other family member by splitting their property.
Note that he missed the fact that Arturo Cruz was sleeping with Oliver North's secretary, Fawn Hall, at the time--just another interesting "political coincidence" that certainly helped North be "objective". No one here mentioned Arturo Cruz but everyone can tell you when Daniel has been here as well as a cattle show or about anything else. In fact, the most common Daniel complaint is that he says the same thing each time he comes. Well, you have to go listen to be able to say that.
This comment reflects what I hear. I didn't have anyone tell me Daniel Ortega is an angel and only a few said the FSLN was "perfect" (and they are young idealists). (Many said they were Sandinistas but not Danielistas.) But, more often than not, I heard that the difference that Sandinistas brought to their life was a chance to control their destiny rather than have it dictated by something very external. CAFTA also came up. Virtually everyone that mentioned it (maybe 1/3 of the people) had good knowledge of it, understood what it was "supposed to do" and understood what it would do. They knew, for example, that it wasn't "free" as it contained many quotas and that it certainly wasn't "equal" for each side. So, bottom line, who are pro-Sandinista? People that saw no chance for upward mobility under Somoza and/or under current neo-Liberal attempts to "fix" Nicaragua. They are not "welfare bums" as is a common term in the US. They can't be because there is no welfare. Family, not government, keeps people alive here. For them, under the current direction (privatization and international control of electricity and telephone, threatened privatization of water, and "pro-business", they see their future as working on someone else's farm or in a "Free Trade Zone" with no option for anything else. Ever. They feel that a Sandinista position may give them a chance for a change. That is, to control their own destiny. |
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Wrong again on a key fact
David Chandler missed the "fact" that Arturo Cruz, the major opponent of Ortega in 1985, was "sleeping with Oliver North's secretary, Fawn Hall" because it was Cruz's son, Arturo Cruz Jr., who had the romantic entanglement. Arturo Cruz Jr. writes about this in his book Memoirs of a Counter-Revolutionary, which traces his voyage from Sandinista operative to Contra operative. If you have good evidence that padre (the presidential candidate) also was involved with Ms. Hall, please accept my apologies in advance. I'm still waiting to hear some expression of regret for your "facts are stupid things" remark of a couple weeks ago.
Bill
PS - I should add that this posting otherwise is thoughtful and plausible, whatever one thinks of its line of argument.
shhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
It was the [evil] US to blame for allowing the son to perform such perfidy upon the Honorable (sic) father.
Surely you have learned by now that the facts are inconvenient to the litany in furtherence of the F$LN???? Not just the fact you bring to light but also the fact that Arturo Cruz (the padre) was "allowed" by the F$LN to run opposite his Emminence, he who must be respected??? Oops, sorry, not relevant as it does not deign to further the prospects of his Emminence!
BTW, and NO, I won't call you "surely"... ;~)
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Daniel Ortega: "respected" for WHAT?????
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I agree, I have heard much the same. But I have also heard stories from poor people here about how they had nothing to eat because food distribution was controlled by the government and how all products like fish, sugar cane, beans etc were property of all the nicaraguenses, in other words no free market. Having said that I dont think things will ever go backwards. In any case I will be happy with whoever is elected. Its their country not mine.
I see two things (or more)
You say they aren't anti-USA, but you write that you think they should be. What happened to not interfering with their decisions? Do you really think they care who slept with who 20+ years ago in another country when no one cared about the President of the US sleeping with Monica?
You say they want the national government to "do something". Is there a laundry list of things they want done? Do they understand that "more" costs them money that they claim they don't have? You do understand that the national government doing nothing at the local level is a Libertarian utopia.
They said they thought the FSLN would let them control their destiny. Did it work? The FSLN has been in power how long now at the local level (remember, the national government does nothing at the local level.)? If these decades of local FSLN control haven't given them the freedom to control their destiny, why keep supporting them? It makes no sense.
Per your admonition about not discussing what the FSLN promises vs. what they deliver, I can't because no one will tell me what they promise. However, there's 27 years of evidence of what they've delivered and the people you spoke to are complaining about it.
I'm curious about the people you spoke to...
"The most common complaint is that the national government does nothing here and, for the most part, never did."
- If Somoza's government "never did" "nothing here," then why are there so many abandoned coffee plantations in Nueva Segovia, for instance? These plants were NOT put to work during the Bloody Shadows time.. Yes, I'm sure you'll rebute this by stating that this was a Contra stronghold; nonetheless, nothing was ever planned for such plants, hence their ghost-town-like appearance now.
"The exception was the Sandinista efforts in the early 1980s to create more access to education and health care. In addition, some mentioned benefiting from improvement in working con[d]itions (labor laws) from the same period."
- The flaws in the current Nicaraguan legislature, such as the ridiculous "aguinaldo" clauses, stem from the Sandinista's quixotic views, not economic rationality. Nicaragua's current legal incompetence is one of the Sandinista 'legacies'.. Employers have NO say whatsoever when an employee goes to the local judge (who's usually a Sandinista, btw), even though he/she's taking risks in an unstable country and giving employment to otherwise idle people. In The General's time, employers had a say, because the government realized the benefits investment brings to Nicaragua.. The Sandinistas planted nonsensical seeds that have 'flourished' into blatant stupidity.
"You need to realize that Somoza left Nicaragua with a large foreign debt (which the Sandinistas agreed to assume)."
- Even when you account for inflation, Somoza's foreign debt was miniscule when compared with what the Bloody Shadow left over.. They agreed to assume such debt? This may be the case; however, one can't forget that the Sandinistas put Nicaragua "on the map" when it failed to make payments to the IMF, for the first time in its history.. Ok, I know the Sandinista response: "we were at war, we couldn't do anything else!" Whose fault was it that they were at war??! Theirs! While they were trying to create a Cuban Revolution clone, they failed to remember how the world's strongest consumer- the USA- responded..
"Many people who didn't have any land said they had worked for others but there was really no way they would ever "move up".
- This is the "dark side" of capitalism, my friend. The "bright" side is what would've saved Nicaragua.. Again, since the drop-outs were so intent on creating a 'Fidelian' carbon copy, they didn't think things out.. Nicaragua, unfortunately, has to suffer from their sins.
"If someone acquired land it was almost always given to them by a parent or other family member by splitting their property."
- This is what they tried to change; rather than having a family member WORK HARD for their OWN piece of land so as to do with it as they wish, they decided to STEAL land in name of the 'greater good.' Two wrongs don't make a right.. Steal from the productive to give to the unproductive.. True, you can train the unproductive, but if you're not doing this, which they didn't, then you're doomed for failure.. This is the reason why Nicaraguan output plummetted.. They 'redistributed' land from highly-productive hands to unproductive ones, all the while turning their back on the World's strongest consumer- The U.S.A. Talk about setting yourself up for failure.