Cuban "refugees" : Landing in Central America = ?

Submitted by cjtowerman on 20 February, 2006 - 21:46.

I hope I do not regret making this post (but might). It is not really intended as a spark for political debate, but a factual quest -- REALLY. I realize "refugee" is probably not the correct political term, but since I am unsure what that word is or should be, I will use it. I suspect anyone reading this will know what I mean, since I am refering to people who build boats or floatation devices and leaves the country at night, looking for another country in which to live. Does anyone know what legally happens to Cubans who flee Cuba in makeshift boats, who get blown off course, and end up landing not near Miami, but in Central America?

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Honduras Cuba Relations

Not sure if things will change or more will be known about the "refugees", but the new Honduran president is to appoint a Honduran Ambassador to Cuba in 2007. Sounds truly unremarkable but the U.S. has basically dictated Honduran policy for so long that the two countries havent had diplomatic ties since 1961. The first / last real gesture was when Cuba sent 100's of teams of doctors after Hurricane Mitch. Many of them are still in Honduras and as a general rule, they are the better doctors in the country, outside the high-end private hospitals catering to the embassies and wealthiest people.

Political Asylum Seekers

Cubans are treated as political asylum seekers in the USA. If they make it to shore, they can stay in the USA - legal in every way (eligible for medicaid, food stamps, housing allowance, etc.) as asylum seekers. As long as the bloqueo (embargo) is in place, it shall remain thus. The Miami Cubans (most especially the older generation) are loyal republicans because the republicans guarantee them a hard line approach with Castro's Cuba - thus the embargo continues and the asylum seekers shall be welcome.

Cuba = HN

Partly, that is the surprising things about the Cubans landing in Honduras. No one wants to say in print that they are "political asylum seekers", but everyone knows that they are - including them, the Honduran government, and of courses the Cuban government. I find Miami conservative Cubans entertaining in a weirdly politically contradictory way. They want to to stop everything from going into the country except of course their remittances which are the only thing perpetuating Castros idiotic system.

A history

Not sure about the Cuban refugeee part. Seems more high risk to try to get to Honduras than the U.S., but that is just a guess. I have heard countless stories and seen many statistics which show that, historically, many Cubans have come to Honduras. Same with people from Lebanon and Palestine (for many decades this has been true; there are books for sale in Tegucigalpa bookstore windows celebrating this long history of immigration). I have seen more Chinese people in Honduras than in any other Central American country. There must be something which attracts them here. Cant possibly be the economy. Of course, if Chinese fisherman crashed ashore on Roatan Island, I am not so sure they would get to stay. In terms of not doing standard paperwork and being apart of the immigrant lottery, perhaps Cubans are unique in Honduras. Honduras is the most pro-U.S. (in the sense that they simply end up doing whatever the U.S. recommends, every single time, for as long as anyone can remember) of the Central American countries, and perhaps there is some policy or "refcommendation", though I do not recall seeing any duscussion of this or mentions of it in a newspaper article.

Chinese in Nicaragua

&#9828 Miskito Alan:

Before 1979, a sizeable Chinese population existed in Managua and other parts of the Pacific Coast and all of the Atlantic Coast.

Most Chinese were independent business-owners who had restaurants and all types of shops. The Chinese business owners were in Bluefields from the 1800s. Many Chinese people are buried in Corn Island, Bluefields, and Puerto Cabezas.

In 1979, these Chinese business-owners dispersed to the USA (America), Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, and parts of South America.

This departure of the Chinese in 1979 is probably part of the reason for the Chinese population in Honduras. Also, I think that the Chinese would go to developing countries in the 1800s and 1900s where they could see opportunities for restaurants and shops without established competition and could see different developing industries.

Aside from this topic; the "Jewish" people exerted much influence in the business community of Managua unil 1979 and then most left Nicaragua.

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Chinese

Honduras was sort of like this, early on - or so I am told. I have no way of knowing, but was told that the influx of Chinese from Nicaragua in the 1980's did not lessen the number of Chinese visas the Honduran government could/would award. Honduras has many rather large problems. One is immigration (some estimates are that there are more than 40,000 people per month who do not pay to renew tourist visas) another is passport fraud (every time blank passports disapear, which is an anual event, sometimes being more than 2000 of them, the suspicion is that most go to Chinese buyers). Also, a good number of businesses in Honduras are only fronted by Hondurans. Since the real owners, Chinese people here illegally, do not have legitimate paperwork, they cannot get the legitimate business approvals. The number of Chinese people interested in coming here is amazing. There are even fraudlent newspaper ads in China in which criminals will accept money for a Honduran immigration visa they cannot possibly deliver. One strange thing is that I have never met a Chinese person who was really, REALLY happy about being here - though of course none want to go home either (this might be because the Chinese to not integrate into the Latin culture, nor even try). Honduras is o.k., really, but no exile paradise, so I guess I assume there are Chinese people trying to get a visa or simply get into almost any other country other than China, because I do not see what is so special about this destination. One thing is odd is that if Honduras is so inviting to people from places that may or may not be all that "free", I am not sure why the policy they have isnt better exlained or examined by the media. One thing I do know, is that if you know where to go, you can get great food, cheap (as tacky as that sounds in a refugee post on nicaliving; tacky, but true).

Rumor mill (Honduras)

Not sure if rumors are true. But, the Cubans are taken to Honduran immigration, where they are documented, and asked to sign certain documents. Not sure what they are. They are then each required to have a private session with the Cuban Ambassador to Honduras. There they are again required to sign documents. Again, not sure what they are. I believe at least one document, or clause, is that they promise to never give an interview about their exit of Cuba, nor the reasons for it. I guess, depending on what they say or admit to in these documents, they are given some provisional status in Honduras (they all seem to stay; you never hear of any chosing to go back?). I am not sure if Cubans are treated differently than people from other countries, who end up in Honduras "accidentally". They need to visit Honduran immigration, every month, for something like 5 years or more. I do not know if Cubans actually try to target Honduras as a destination, but there is a large number of Cubans in San Pedro Sula and La Ceiba -- and these people have nothing in common with the Cuban "economic advisors", who knew basically nothing about economics, and who were running around Honduras in the late 1980's and 1990's. It is possible that the Cubans who stay simply never go back to Honduran immigration and stay illegally, but I doubt that. There is no animosity I have ever seen. Honduras has its problems, but is a rather inviting and accepting country/people. Again not sure about the rumor mill. But, I have never seen a Cuban give a newspaper interview, and you are correct that they are "tight lipped" about their arrival and immigration status. I think that Belize makes the Cuban government pay for them to go back home, without the stay option they get in Honduras, but that is just a comment I heard on the radio several years ago when in Guatelama.

Staying?

... (if true, but it seems to be) ... But, doesnt this seem just remarkable? People wash up on shore in the middle of nowhere near the Mosqitia, with documentation and a willingness to acknowledge who they are, and where they are from, and get taken to immigration and meet their Ambassador, and just get to stay in a new country, apparently forever?

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When I used to be in the USCG. We would make patrols above Bahamian waters (I was up in the Jets), when a Cuban, Hatian or other refugee was spottted we would report it to the closest asset, in many cases the Bahamian Navy. They would pick them up and from there, I do not know for sure. I here they are processed and sent back to their home soil, where they then try to escape yet again.

Blown off course...

Why would anyone want to leave Fidel's worker's paradise???

It's been many moons since I had experience charter boating in the caribe and the brain cells containing the information are beyond salvage, but...

I did read at some point about drift patterns in the upper caribe/Gulf of Mexico and, if IIRC, the currents wouldn't allow them to "drift" to Central America. Maybe a freak storm could change that but basically it has something to do with the structure and strength of the currents.

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Off course (?)

My initial suspicion was that you are right, that a storm is needed to get them to Central America. I started second guessing this, not even sure why. I guess one reason is that people drift up onto Honduran soil with some frequency, usually in larger boats; they all have a storm tale, which may or may not be what accounts for them being way out past Trujillo (where good old Christopher also washed up; I think there is a rusty plaque out there commemorating this), being so few of them seem to know much about sailing, and any wind or high waves may seem like a special storm which took them of course, this probably seems a good acounting. Anyway, I combined this with all the "average" Cubans I meet up in San Pedro Sula, who are not part of any government operation or plan or job, and who are remarkably tight-lipped about how they got here. I just started wondering if it could be possible that dirt-poor, crime-ridden Honduras is actually the goal, for some of the boats. No mass exodus, but people are picked up monthly or so, for the last decade. The last boat was 25 people, and the one before that 28 -- I think.

My Knowledge

Miskito Alan:

Carl: I've seen "Peruvians" dropped at "Corn Island" several times and they were taken by the immigration and police to Managua.

I know of a group of fisherman from Mississippi about 10 years ago who were fishing in Nicaraguan waters when they came from Cosa Rica and did not legally enter Nicaragua and the group was taken to Managua and then returned to the USA.

I have seen a couple of times where people from Tobago/Trinidad and another country were shipwrecked and floated to "Corn Island" and they were placed in the hospital there and days later were taken to Managua.

I have no idea what happens to these people in Managua.

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Carne Asada?

Wonder why some Beef in Managua is not so tender?

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I Also Hear

&#9829 Miskito Alan"

Some taste like a "Turkey".

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tastes like turkey

those are the US refugees that land in Nicaragua that taste like turkey

and some taste like bolognia