Life and Debt - Documentary Review

Submitted by Pete on 3 February, 2006 - 19:46.

Tonight I viewed "Life and Debt" a movie about the International Monitary fund, its policies and the effect upon the country of Jamacia. Rather then go into great detail, Roger Ebert gives an accurate review of the movie. I would highly recomend to everyone in seeing this film.

Review by Roger Ebert of Life and Debt

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History

I thought it might be worth mentioning that this is not a new film. Though released back in 2001, much of the footage and commentary is from 1998. This has nothing to do with the merit of the film or if what is said is true, but it might be easy to assume from the posts here down below (if you have not seen the film) that this is a new film, and that it might be based on or incorporate the CAFTA push.

The banana farming problems are from way back in 1990 (they do not tell you that subsidies and special agreements were what kept the export industry alive in the first place), and the milk problems from 1992 (they do not tell you that it was the removal of Jamaican milk subsidies which caused the biggest problem, nor do they address why it was subsidized in the first place). Manley's anti-IMF speech is now 30 years old, and he is left with the blame, something he seems willing to accept though much of it was not his fault (the director does not spell out the fact that Jamaican free trade zones were a Jamaican economic idea; the Jamaican government devised and implemented this plan many decades ago, and it was not tied to the IMF).

Also, it is arguably the best film made about globalization. And, it should be noted that the director admitted she made no attempt at objectivity in the making of the film (the angry film is nothing if not with agenda. It is, after all, made using the words of a fictional work by a poet describing another country, and the power of the film comes as much from juxtapositioning of wealth and poverty, as it does from facts outlines in the film). She never blames a single Jamaican for a single thing (how could that be?), and she never compares Jamaica to other comparably poor countries (did they not face the same problems?), and she seems to just accept the claims by some in the film regarding the good old days which accompanied Jamaican market rule, which always seem self-serving if not rediculous (if there were good old days, why did Manley see no other way but IMF, to simply get as he says, penecillin?).

Because the film has an agenda, that is not to say the film is full of lies (Michael Moore admitted Farenhiet 9/11 was not objective, and that his goal was to prevent the re-election of you know who, but that did not stop him from being irate when people said parts of the film were not true - that things were not factually correct). These are two different things. Even with its faults it is, I think, the best film made on the lending of money and debt collection in poor countries. If anyone was interested, the director also made a movie on the guest visa workers in the U.S. sugarcane industry, called "H-2 Work".

Nice Job

Its good to see someone who points out the faults in something without destroying its merits in making a case. Providing balance in your review you provided possible reasons for both sides. I read this a couple of times, Well Done!

Reviews (Positive, All?)

I just realized I had never seen many of the reviews you posted. It was not scientific or anything but I just read maybe 25 of them total online via a basic ixquick search. I did not find an overall or even partly negative review, and I was of curiousity actually looking for one. I am not saying one should draw any great conclusion from this but I do not remember the last time a left of center political film did not have dozens of negative (often, unjustified) reviews in magazines and online. I dont know, i was just sort of thinking out loud when I replied but I didnt find anyone else saying anything worse than me and since I am not on the political right I guess I am a little worried...

One More

Miskito Alan:

Reviews and all info.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284262/

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Interesting

It is an interesting film. It is also interesting that a documentary on this topic, ended up with a motion picture soundtrack by Tuff Gong Records. Some parts I was suspicious about, and also about the claims made in some of their literature. One example would be the free trade zone relocations. I am not sure I buy the idea that the pathetically low salaries paid in these in Jamaica were not low enough and that the corporations once there moved away for cheaper labor. That statement certianly seems believable until you realize they want you to believe these corps left for Costa Rica & Mexico. Cost Rica? Mexico? How could they undercut Jamaica for labor? I do not believe it. If the corps left for those places there was another reason the film does not touch on. The banana controversy is similar. Other areas of concern are like this too. I suspect they are correct about the bigger economic issues, but often they try to prove it with a particular type of thing, and the thing they chose to use to demonstrate might not have been the best choice. Just my opinion. There are 2 documentarys about the IMF and Nicaragua, a few years old now. If I remember the titles I will make a post, but they would be hard to few or rent.

Facts

The point of recommending the movie is to invoke thought and bring to light the possibility of the IMF, World Bank and Global trade might not be what those in the Developed world think. People need to be educated, if I'm out in left field, please point me to some hard statistical data. If there is merit to what the documentary is saying and the effect is the awaking of those who go on thinking the IMF and World Bank are the Red Cross of the Financial world and Global Free Trade works for developed nations, then isn't it better to take a 50,000 ft view? The quotes from the movie are after all opinions of workers in this documentary. Does it matter if their jobs really went to Costa Rica or China? Bottom line is that in the end a majority of the world lives on 1.00 a day..... I think its all a little more then "Interesting"....

Are you serious?

"Does it matter if their jobs really went to Costa Rica or China?"

Are you serious? Damn right it does. It is the difference between a real documentary film, and, well let's just say it, propaganda. If the facts dont matter why bother at all?

P.S. It is not a "movie" per se; Jackie Chan makes movies. It is a documentary film, promoted as fact. If it is not factual, then it should not be taken any more seriosuly than regular "movies", like say those of Jackie Chan or whomever. Caring that countless people live on a $1 a day does not commit one to disregarding what other things are true in the world, or that truth matters.

Truth

What is truth? The women in this documentary believed their jobs went to Costa Rica or Mexico, to them the truth is they were unemployed. Its possible that at the time of the documentary, that's where the jobs went. To these women, it was the truth, I doubt it was scripted. Would it be worth it to hunt these women down so we can enlighten? Explain to them jobs may not have gone to Mexico as they suspected? Will the average person who views this documentary care if two poor women from Jamaica got their facts right? With its flaws, is it possible this documentary will cause people to seek answers on their own or at least start thinking? Yes the devil is in the details and a double edge sword.

PS I thought all of Jackie Chan's films were documentaries, your telling me now they were just movies? I'm going to ask Miskito Alan because he knows a lot more then me and keeps me from being too serious.

Truth and beliefs

I too doubt it was scripted but that is no the point really (the director can easily correct a mistaken assumption of people in her film via voice over or subtitled printed texts but did nothing). What women who may or may not be well educated and may or may not understand economics global or not who have lost their jobs believed was the cause of this is not of greatest concern. What actually caused them to lose their jobs is of greatest concern. The film maker's job if she wants to make a movie blaming certain organizations and policies for this job loss is to show that those things resulted in the women losing their jobs (she does not do this, and doing this is a lot harder than filming drunk fat U.S. tourists making asses out of themselves, and letting people infer that there is a connection). Enlightening the unemployed women is not the point becaused doing that neithers fixes their lives nor proves what caused this job industry they once were part of to die in Jamaica. No the average person will not care if two Jamaican women got their facts right (I suspect the truth is that average people do not believe like the films director once did that IMF is like the Red Cross; I suspect average people simply do not give a #$%^, but that is just my opinion). But, people who take documentaries and history and public policy seriously will care if a director got her facts straight and that is what matters. It matters where the jobs went away, because it matters why the jobs went away. This film just wants you to assume it went where and why because of the IMF, but the problem is it is the director's job to show and prove this, not assume it.

Missing Money?

That part is not intuitive, to say the least. They repeatedly emphasize that Jamaican workers kill themselves, for countless hours, at hellish jobs, for $30 per week (I believe it). The $30 figure is used over and over again. But, why is it $30 and why would a corporation relocate to Costa Rica or Mexico, since there people make more than $30 (similar workers in Honduras often make $50 a week). They also state that they cant possibly compete with Dole and related produce shipped in from Miami. Problem is, this Dole produce comes usually from Honduras, where banana plantantion workers are paid more not less than their Jamaican counterparts, so how can the fresh produce go from Honduras to Miami to Jamaica, via plantantion workers who make more, yet undercut the cost of home-grown Jamaican bananas (where is the missing money?)? It might be possible, but how would this happen, regularly?

There is one part where they claim Jamaican garment people make $60 a month (not a week), and that companies still moved to Ecuador and Mexico for cheaper labor. Does anyone believe they got a better deal in Mexico for less than $15 a week? If so, they probably havent been to Mexico recently. If what they tell you is true, where is the missing money?

Many of these "debates" might come down to understanding what costs are associated with a level playing field. The film states, in more than one way and more than one time, "The trouble is that the rich countries can always beat the poorer ones on the so-called level playing field, because their greater resources allow cheaper means of production and access to cheaper labor." But, the thing is, rich countries exporting products do not have access to cheaper labor; that is the problem with the theory. Subsidies are often mentioned as another explanation for what allows this, but the subsidized component is never enough to justify the price differential, which means there is money missing.

I am sypathetic to the points made, but the often MTV-like portrayal makes, for me anyway, something incredibly serious seem less so. It is a good film, by any standard, but I walk away thinking the same thing I do when I read articles about the IMF or CAFTA or a list of concerns from developing countries: no matter what people tell me, their account does not add up (not completely anyway); there is always money missing from every analysis, and I am not sure who has it.

We can’t see the forest through the trees ...

While the finer points you both make have merit, the point is many people have a very distorted view of global trade. Its documentaries like this that get people thinking that its often not about helping other nations. Arm Chair economics are hardly a measure of whats really going on.

btw ..Im curious, where are you getting your statistics?

Stats

I don't really cite sources because there are no statistics, as the term in normally used, in the reply. The Jamaican salary numbers come right from the documentary film, and are repeated on the official website, and in most of the movie reviews cited above. The only other numbers used or implied are salary numbers for Mexico and Honduras. No source is needed in the case of Mexico; no one honestly believes they found comparable labor for less than $15 per week there in Mexico (I have owned businesses in Mexico, but I think people surmise that Mexican labor costs measurably more than that of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua -- And Jamaica). As for Honduras, the salaries are widely publicized in Honduran newspapers, often due to strikes or comparable work analyses. I have lived in Honduras, off an on, for decades, and live there now. Some criticisms, it is true, were hypothetical, more or less (like how it could be possible for produce to go Honduras=Miami=Jamaica, and cost less?).

My criticism was of the particulars, really. It is not as though I am pro NAFTA/CAFTA (I am not), nor IMF/WB (I am not), but it is true for me that I have never seen an article nor film with the hard data that makes sense, and after so many years of rabid debate, that is disapointing. In a 400-page book, you back it up with footnotes, but in a film like this your test cases are the footnotes or as important as them, and something didnt seem right to me. I tried to point out that I do believe few if any good things follow from IMF WB activities, but as good as this documentary is, it might not convince the ignorant nor the non-believers, and simply end up preaching to the choir, as they say.

Good Point

You might be right, it may in the end be preaching to the choir. Why is it that with the exception of the G7 and multi-national corporations, I'm having a hard time finding people who come out in favor of CAFTA, NAFTA, IMF World Bank etc? The exception seems to be people who parrot FOX News, Rush Limbaugh or those with glazed over eyes and a myopic agenda.

Songs?

&#9829 Miskito Alan:

I find that Bob Marley sung most of the used songs on the soundtrack.

David (Ziggy) Marley sung the song entitled "G-7".

2 or 3 others sung 2 or 3 others.

Quite interesting.

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"fyl" & I will do the same

&#9829 Miskito Alan:

"fyl" and I are going to make a documtentary entitled:

"Watching the Zinc Rust in Nicaragua".

10-1 that "Roger" gives us a better review than whatever thing that you are talking about reviewed by my good friend, Roger Eggberto.

"Pete" - Seriously - That sounds a little boring and Roger must have had a "goma" that day or nothing else to do.

Ah - If only "Gene" were still with us.

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Ok

Ok Ill stick to posting fun topics and reviews in the future. I was just trying to make some people aware of a movie that explained how the IMF and other organizations affect countries like Nicaragua. I think many people believe what ever they read in the Daily News and have no idea why people in the rest of the word protest every time the IMF, WMF and the G7 meet. Most people don't understand the global economy is not beneficial to all members...

Pete - I Told You Many Times

&#9829 Miskito Alan:

I've told you many times that I already have too many concerns.

I worry about the okra and the turnip greens.

I worry about the "snook".

I worry about "watching the zinc rust".

Now, you want me to worry about the world's money.

If people would just grow okra, turnip greens, and a couple other things and catch some "snook"; the world wouldn't need me and you wasting our time with this money/Hollywood discussion.

Now - Carina wants me to worry about some band playing music for the soundtrack of your picture on "Tuff Gong" music company.

I'm allowing "GWB" to worry about invading Iran because frankly I can't do anything about it one way or the other and as Clark (Rhett) said - "Frankly, my dear; I don't give a damn.

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okra

Im worried the frozen okra will be slimy.