Khadafi Fans Can

watch a documentary on Showtime this coming Friday . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/04/06/documentary-reveals-liby...

Review from the BBC for those on the other side of the fence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2014/05/storyville-gaddafi.htm...

Christopher Olgiati’s “Mad Dog: Inside the Secret World of Muammar Gaddafi”

He and DO were always close friends:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/que-pasa/first-cha...

http://en.mercopress.com/2012/01/12/nicaragua-s-ortega-condemned-killing...

Is it just me, or do others see a radically different dynamic in CA, LA, and the Caribbean? It's interesting to watch how completely unrelated events affect other parts of the world. For example, return of the US Senate to Republican control this fall might have a greater sway on the fate of Maduro's government than any number of brave Venezuelan protesters could:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/05/opinion/the-truth-about-venezuela-as-m...

More of an immediate determinate will be the future of the world oil market, and the price of crude.

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Perhaps it's because there isn't one on this site?

The Thread Was

not tightly constructed.

The premise was, 1; there is a potential sea change coming to both Cuba and Nicaragua if the Maduro government falls.

2: If the Republicans take back the US Senate (and the (former darling of the left, Nate Silver is predicting just that), Venezuela will become more of a talking point. Assuming all the anti-Castro crowd know that Venezuela is responsible for keeping the present Cuban government afloat,, Venezuela will become a target. It already has. . .

3; Rubio will be an early candidate for President, giving him a national platform. I DON'T think he will be the nominee . . . even so, this will put a spotlight on the deficiencies of the current Venezuelan administration. I really liked the way he described the scarcity of consumer goods, and I paraphrase "you can't even get TP". That one statement repeated often enough will horrify the American public, and will remind them of Venezuela once a day (in most cases).

And the conclusion,, Both Nicaragua and Cuba will have to make some changes if the Venezuelan government changes. It's unlikely the (free in the case of Cuba) and reduced cost (Nicaragua) oil will continue.

IMHO this will force Cuba to accelerate its economy to one more aligned with "market principles".

Nicaragua will have to look somewhere to replace the lost revenue. As it currently stands, the upper crust Sandinistas have been comfortable with Ortega's distribution of the funds. They have what they need, Pellas has been selling a lot of Prado's and HiLux' es. The other people got a few schools, clinics,, and some roads paved, and the electrical grid extended. It's been a great run. Madurro still needs their support, so the oil has continued.

Once this money is gone, perhaps Nicaragua will get serous about tourism as a potential source of replacement revenue?

Nic's best tourist

Nic's best tourist attraction will be the Chicom canal, but that is a decade away. And anyway, Hugo's piddly money is chicken feed compared to what China can provide. Rule one of the Procurer General: sell yourself to the highest bidder!

``Socialism works fine until you run out of other peoples` money``

Margaret Thatcher

The real advantage of that….

…will be two deep water ports with a canal between them.

The common plan for poor countries and regions anywhere with some pretty scenery is trying to develop tourism. The human parallel is for poor but beautiful girls to try to marry a rich husband. Sometime, it works. And sometimes, she ended up committing suicide (case in California) by tying her hands and feet (before or after the noose around the neck) and throwing herself off a building after the rich lover gets tired of her. I think it was rather remarkable that the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania let a Dupont die in prison for murder, and I was horrified by people who didn't think Basil Givner should have pulled time for murdering someone who everyone here thinks was leaving him for a woman. The Dupont would have gotten off had he done that inn Delaware -- a recent child rapist Dupont there got a suspended sentence.

Countries and regions that are utterly dependent on tourism are like the poor beautiful girl.

Rebecca Brown

Faulty data, faulty conclusion

The road paving and electrical grid extensions/upgrades didn't come from Venezuela. They're part of the country plan that's financed through the development banks.

All along, it has been the intention of the government to wean themselves from oil and you should see an announcement from the San Jacinto geothermal plant shortly or you can go to this website to see how the plant extension is coming along. http://www.cndc.org.ni/graficos/MapaSIN/index.php I have been watching the plant output bounce around for a few weeks. Once you have enough cheap and reliable power, industry has always followed.

Since the subprime crisis, there has been a shortage of tourists and even the traditional holiday countries have been advertising on TV so it's not that Nicaragua isn't serious.

The only connection to your title about Gaddafi is that the strategy of hijacking a small demonstration and turning it into a coup, by having snipers shoot at both sides of the crowd, is now called the Libyan strategy. It was used in Libya, Ukraine and now Venezuela.

Gaddafi Is Proof

that the world is changing -for the better. His nickname "Mad Dog" was not a term of endearment: " >>> ...In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the families of the victims, although he maintained never having given the order for the attack.[2] During the Libyan civil war, in 2011, a former government official contradicted Gaddafi claiming that the Libyan leader had personally ordered the bombing ...."" Wikipedia citation.

It's not a linear progression. This change is chaotic. It came hard to the US,, even harder to Europe. Fortunately, Venezuela and Cuba don't have Muslim extremists to hijack the process. They could enjoy a relatively painless transition to market economies.

DO's fascination with Gaddafi and Hussein was based on the money they passed around to 3rd world countries (well, not exactly to the countries) -- to secure their loyalty. That has never been a secret. DO will go in the direction his bread is buttered. He's a pragmatist, if the current regime in Venezuela is ousted, he will turn north with a smile on his face.

The mutual admiration society that was so vibrant five years ago is diminishing in numbers; Hugo, Gaddafi and Hussein are gone, Fidel soon. All that will be left will be North Korea (well, OK, Morales and Correa, but how much influence do they have by themselves)?

Juanno is right, tourism is not the end-all, but it's an easy start, and requires minimal skills and education. Look at the recent investment in Granada. Nicaragua is finally moving.

It would be nice if Nicaragua had an abundance of well-trained engineers, chemists, IT people, but they don't. Intel and Pfizer will have to wait a bit. Your argument is, once Nicaragua has cheap electricity a higher quality of investment will follow ? I hope so,, there are a lot of kids in Nicaragua who will be looking for jobs.

Geothermal,, hydro, solar, wind, it's all fantastic, the future --but doesn't fill the tank, so oil will be a factor for quite some time yet. It would be nice if we could all plug into the wall at night, but we're not there yet.

I want to put my money on the right horse, and I don't think the winner will be a Marxist horse.

Are you a betting person:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/1074677...

You should give up FOX

I wonder if the press in the rest of the world used a nickname or talks of mutual admiration societies between world leaders. Gaddafi was planning to set up a development bank for Africa to rival the IMF, therefore, he had to go. Ever hear that all wars are bankers wars? They couldn't impose sanctions on him because the country was rich enough to outlast any sanctions so a war was necessary and, as is normal, they took the country's gold. The alternative press disputes any Libyan role in the Lockerbie bombing, calling Libya a scapegoat.

Not reported in our news is that North and South Korea are holding talks to become one country again.

Cough, mission posters….

You can hit them over the head with a complex reality and it won't make a dent on their belief systems. Once I've figured out that about someone, I try to disengage. It doesn't matter what it comes from. Could be trolling, could be crazy, could be egotism.

Rebecca Brown

Key West

Get a job or something will you?

I'm Thinking Of

opening a coffee shop . .Bring Fox News Latino to my customers. Someone has to save the world . . .

Do you usuppose Rob would allow me to use his Gato Nego name? Maybe . . . Gato Negro Norte?

Seriously, I'm retired with a start up coffee farm, and an IT business in the US that just won't go away.

I don't have time for a job.

You need to speak to Kelly, she is the owner

Perhaps she needs a partner now.

" . . .Could Be Ego, Could Be . . . "

Or could be,, the truth really hurts . . .

We all like to avoid pain.

Not all of us -- flamers, bicycle races, and people who do

…extreme sports don't tend to avoid pain. And people do go to amusement parks to be scared, which is a singular peculiarity of our species.

Rebecca Brown

Wasn't A Fox

nickname:

http://www.olgiati.com/

So, all of those "Mad Dog" anecdotes about Gaddafi were untrue? Just an altar boy with some bad press?

The Chavez, Correa, Morales, Ortega, Castro,, mutual admiration society WAS my idea. Now that Chavez is gone, the only place you hear much about "The Empire" is on the lefty blogs. It looks like Correa is going to do an Ortega, gut the constitution and run again in 2017. So he will probably be around forever, like DO. Could be much worse for Ecuador.

Julian Assange must have breathed a huge sigh of relief when he heard that: he's starting to like his "cell",, doesn't want a transfer. Have you read his autobiography? Talk about your clay-footed heroes . . . .a grown man with a son in school, unemployed, "Mendax" hacking through the night with Phoenix and Prime Suspect like some teenager, while his wife supports him. We're not talking WikiLeaks here,, just blatant criminality..

South Korea would like to reunite with North Korea. They see the pain of their fellow countrymen all too clearly. North Korea will just use that to extract more aid. When Castro goes, North Korea will be the last of the commies left. The last shining example of how Marxism brings wondrous benefits to the proletariat. Too bad one of those "benefits" is mass starvation.

West Germany is still paying for their efforts to bring their East Germany countrymen out of the Marxist paradise they enjoyed.

Thanks for confirming

I'd assumed you just make things up.

One of the things I've noticed about tourism as an industry

….is that the people who promote it tend to underestimate the locals. The people who come in with grand industrial plans can also be oblivious, too, but most of them tend to be more realistic.

My Claro system works and the 4G was constantly getting better before I switched to cable. People here aren't stupid here. What the tourism industry is good for is motiving people to go back to school or to get higher end skills so they don't have to spend their lives picking up after tourist or smiling at drunk white people.

The best thing I've seen about Granada was on the other site: http://www.therealnicaragua.com/vb/forums/showthread.php?t=14123 When I posted that to the FB expat group, people joined The Real Nica because they appreciated the realism.

Nobody at this point is betting on a Marxist horse. Everyone, world-wide, is betting on a mixed economy, and if a country is smart, as Germany is, they try to give national workers a voice in both the companies (unions and management cooperate, less of the old time adversarial relationship) and in the government. Not too pleasant to be a guest worker, but they take care of the Germans.

Nicaragua, like any locality, and any locality within Nicaragua has to look at the cost/benefit ratio. You can spend a huge amount of money trying to promote tourism in an area and end up not paying for it in increased tax revenues. Everyone, world-wide, who's involved in tourism promotion has learned that lesson. The USAID has money to spend, but it doesn't always result in increased tourism. What Jinotega has to sell is "experiences in poverty." for mission groups, and one hotel does most of that business. If the poverty ends, so does that particular tourism.

We are getting more and more tours like this: http://www.roadscholar.org/n/program/summary.aspx?id=1%2D4OGD65 which includes one overnight in Jinotega. The season is January, February, and March -- and Nicaragua actually has more (two) country dedicated tours (the other an experience in poverty) than the other CA countries, so someone has been promoting tourism here. However, note that that's one night in Jinotega, not people staying a week.

The Skyline Drive/Blue Ridge Parkway was build as a public works project in the Depression -- and has probably 50 million people living within a half days drive of it. It has a range of attractions, and the charismatic animals are visible from the road: deer, bear, wild turkey, foxes, and a coyote, just to name what I've seen from the road when I drove on Skyline Drive. Most of the concessions closed down between December and March due to inclement weather, especially on Skyline Drive. Most of the traffic was in the leaf season in the fall and US national holidays.

Nicaragua doesn't have a mountain parkway, much less 50 million people within a half day's drive of one of its entrances. We don't have a Baltimore DC area close to one end and Atlanta close to the other.

Who has the money to build cities like Charlotte, NC, or Atlanta, or the DC suburbs, or Charlotteville, or Roanoke so money spent promoting mountain tourism makes sense?

The drive in the country for lunch people are coming from Managua and Leon -- and for Managua, a restaurant on Mombacho would make more sense for "the get away to the cool" experience closer than Selva Negra.

One place, South of the Border, in South Carolina was a long day's drive from the NYC area, could sell fireworks as well as meals and accommodations, and did aggressive promotion starting 50 miles from the location. It was the place for lunch if you were driving from the NC cities to Myrtle Beach. No attractions other than those the owners built. It worked because it was on the way to other places: Myrtle Beach, Florida.

So here, on or visible from the Pan Am highway.

I doubt most tourists stay in any of the northern cities for more than an overnight or two, so the cash flow is erratic unless a venue taps into the mission groups. The tours will fill some hotels, but that's for one to three nights (and those multiple nights stays for the tours appear to be in Leon and Granada and maybe San Juan del Sur).

If Intur promotes something that doesn't pay off or costs more than it makes in terms of crime prevention, sanitation, and services, this isn't a wise use of the voters' money.

Honduras basically has financially rewarding tourism in two places: the Bay Islands and Copan. They get enough tourists at Copan to be able to afford good security. And Copan Ruines has the Mayan ruins, and a parrot preserve, and hot springs (if I'm remembering correctly) and other things to see and do within an hour of there, including colorful Mayan handweavers just over the border in Guatemala who bring stuff to sell into Copan Ruines.

Granada has easy access to more than just Granada: Ometepe, Laguna Apoyo, the islands in the lake near Granada, Mombacho, Masaya, and, only a bit further away San Juan del Sur and Costa Rica. Anywhere in the mountains here, not so much.

But this is like arguing with our mission poster elsewhere about the fantastic commercial future of a web-interfaced text only usenet that requires real names and expires posts in three days, and I'm turning into a counter mission poster. And I need to go eat breakfast across the street.

Rebecca Brown

Tourism Schmorism.

We need a sustainable economy that includes tourism not relies on it.

Way too fickle and way to cheap to build a future on.

If Nicaragua prices go higher, then CR joins the Panama and Ecuador popularity contest and is back in the game.

We have 1 dollar beers they have 4. Soon as that changes, it all changes.

Do you want the $1 beer

Do you want the $1 beer crowd or the $4 beer crowd?

My BIL is in Nica banking, and he says they are looking to increase the number of tourist that drop some big money in the country.

Tough to do when you have marketed the place as cheaper

than the competition.

Big money does not mix with little money very well.

The $1 beer crowd gets old real quick but that's the supply and demand that was created/happened/tweeted and fb "liked".

A few Mukuls will spring up cos they like to try and copy, but on the whole, the big party will move where it wants to move and we will be left with a steady stream of the type of tourism our prices attract.

Same as a shopping mall, you want Walmart or Sears?...by the way where is Sears now?

I see comments like this all the time "looking to increase the number of tourist that drop some big money in the country"..and then they go back to the corporate porch.

Other problem with this is that if the price is too high,

….the rich don't show up either since they didn't get rich by blowing money they didn't need to spend. My sister's comment when she saw the Mukul prices was "High prices for Nicaragua."

I had a professor who did research in teaching strategies and his common request of us was "Operationalize it." How is getting tourists with big money going to work? What do they like? Where do they go? How to they travel?

The very rich are often each other's house guests and in those cases don't pay other than tip the servants. Some of those and the upper middle class might want bragging rights for famous locations -- Machu Pichu, a week on a houseboat in Kashmir, antiquities, charismatic wildlife, traveling in Europe on a river boat. Or they might want pampering by servants who bring their drinks out to the pool and their meals to their casita on some coral reef island with an airport ten minutes from the resort.

How does Nicaragua get from where it is to that? Few of the ideas seems to match human behavior as tourists. Most of them are vague handwaving, like "the country should invest in infrastructure" or "We need to promote Nicaragua more."

One guy here is actually building a pool and playground here -- and he's local and seems to be doing it with an idea that his customer base will be local, though the first person who told me about it couldn't believe that a Jinotegano could be behind it, and the second person hadn't heard about it other than the guy who owns the land is German. Further news today about it today, yeah, the guy doing it is a Jinotegano and yes, a German guy owns the land. I can imagine lots of people here using it; I can't imagine anyone visiting Jinotega to use a swimming pool.

Rebecca Brown