New Minimum Wage

http://www.mitrab.gob.ni/index/Acta-acuerdo-sal-min-2012.pdf

For those that think tourism is so bad, you will see that construction (like building resorts, hotels, houses for gringos etc) as well as waitresses, hospitality, maids etc are in fact paid better than minimum wage jobs in government (local and central)... such as all those government people Rebecca says work in Jinotega.

Yes I know this is only minimum wages, affecting only 150,000 workers but the rates do tend to be proportional per sector when they get over the minimums.

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Threatening me in Granada,

At the park, a woman came up to our car demanding $5.00 US. She said you rich gringos can afford it. When I refused, she warned me that "Daniel will take care of you!"

What is the New Minimum Wage in Nicaragua?

The minimum wage here in Venezuela is the equivalent of $360.00 per month, according to a government report in 2011. (http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6154) The minimum wage has more than tripled since I first came here in 2007, and is reported to be the highest in South America.

My son just got a job at an Apple store in Oregon and tells me he will receive between $12 and $14.00 a hour to start. Out of curiosity, I looked up the Oregon minimum wage, which is $8.80 for 2012. The U.S federal minimum wage is $7.25 according to the same website: http://www.oregon.gov/BOLI/2008_Minimum_Wage.shtml.

Wages

The minimum wage, as a figure, has real meaning only in context. What is the minimum wage score when compared to per-person GDP? Is the minimum wage paid monthly? If so, is it the legal or cultural norm for it to be paid 12, 13, or 14 times per year? Is it converted to dollars for comparison sake and, if so, is that necessary in that it has real meaning in the lives of everyday people? Regardless, does the value of the wage depend often on goods assessed or purchased in dollars? Is the true dollar-exchange-rate exempt from the country's analysis and, if so, does that alter the real-world value of the wage? Do workers routinely receive benefits in addition to their wage, which enhances or offsets other costs or increases? Do hikes in the minimum wage get compared to inflation is the measure, etc., or are they exempt? It is complicated - even when stripped to a basic level. It is highly unlikely Venezuela has surpassed Chile and Argentina in meaningful terms of minimum wage rates. As of 2011 Argentina was $535USDE, and Chile was $358 USDE - but keep in mind that in recent inflation was 30% in Venezuela, whereas it was 20% in Argentina, (about 5% in Nicaragua), yet only 2% in Chile; inflation matters, a lot more than most any other measure.

I Stand Corrected, Venezuela Is Second in Minimum Wages.

Venezuelaanalysis reports at http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6154 that, for 2011, when Venezuela increased its minimum wage by 26%, as it has every year since 1999 when President Chavez first took office. From that date to 2009, the minimum wage has increased over 800%. (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_55714.shtml).

Here are the statistics for Latin America

The minimum wages in other Latin American countries, according to YVKE Mundial, are: Argentina - 1,740 pesos (435 dollars), Chile - 172,000 pesos (350 dollars), Panama - 349 dollars, Brazil - 590 reals (350 dollars), Colombia - 515,000 pesos (280.50 dollars), Uruguay - 4.799 pesos (240 dollars), Peru - 600 sols (212 dollars), Costa Rica - 221.400 colons (429 dollars), Mexico - 1.723, 8 pesos (132.60 dollars), Bolivia - 679 bolivianos (97 dollars), Nicaragua - between 1.717 and 4030 cordobas (78,2, to 183,5 dollars).

But the minimum wage cited above for Venezuela does not include the other substantial benefits that accrue to every Venezuelan resident: free health care, including dental and optical, low cost government subsidized markets (Mercals) and restaurants (comedors), and a month's additional salary as a Christmas bonus, in addition to at least two weeks and up to four weeks vacation.

The minimum wage figure also does not include the mandated "Cesta" tickets which all employers must pay to workers monthly. The "Cesta" can be used in all government markets and many private markets and shops.

The Venezuelanalysis article quoted above also reports that:

o not include the food tickets that workers also receive.

Food ticket values are independent of wages. A teacher on a minimum wage, for example, typically receives Bs 400 ($US 93) per month worth of food tickets, which can be redeemed in government food outlets and cooperating private supermarkets and shops.

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In aggregate, I believe it is fair to say that Venezuelan workers definitely have the highest effective income in Latin American, even if they only have the second highest minimum wage.

Not in reality though...

A flat number, selected on an arbitrary date, and not adjusted for real costs or the across real timelines, isn't real life though. Wage (or income) isn't necessarily what matters most. Inflation, but especially, purchasing power, matter. The YVKE Mundial data you cite might be a bit dated. Argentina is now $550 and Paraguay, which upgraded to $410 last year, appears not to be on the list at all. Even so, ignore the fact that Venezuela has two dollar economies, which renders comparisons complicated, if not unfair. Ignore that and use official exchange numbers. For base analyses purposes, think of it this way with numbers you give: it is January and monthly the Venezuelan has $360 and the Chileno $350. But, each month the Venezuelan sees 2.5% inflation and the Chileno 0.25%. The Venezuelan sees almost as much loss of purchasing power before end of January, the first 30 days, than the Chileno sees all year. Unless one assumes that what really matters is what the minimum wage means only in the first month, what matters in terms of the lives of real people and the impact per their wage is what that wage means until it is again adjusted – likely in 12 or perhaps 6 months. The important question is how many months does it take before the Chileno surpasses the Venezuelan in purchasing power, due to the effect of inflation on the Venezuelan's salary? By March the Chileno is ahead and his lead grows quickly throughout the rest of the year – until one or both countries again adjust the wage. Unless a wage is adjusted every 60 days (all-but unheard of), the Chileno wins, and if adjusted annually, he wins by a goodly margin. In fact, as you work through recent years, the Panamanian and the Brazilian also pass by the Venezuelan when wages are giving meanings across a decent time-frame and inflation is figured in. The "bonuses" you mention are important in terms of real life but they are not necessarily things added across an already higher minimum wage; these things are added because they have to be to try to counter inflation and the artificial dollar setup which dictate the skyrocketing minimum wage which isn't keeping up with either. True, the government has increased the minimum wage 800% in a decade (not too surprising, the cited article ignores cumulative inflation across that same decade), but this does not have meaning out of context of what else happened in that decade. Venezuelans may have more and better government assistance and perks than those in most or all other Latin countries, but in a meaningful sense they are not #1 or #2 per minimum wage.

Perhaps One should take into account

That in order to even obtain minimum wage an Employer has to pay. There has to be jobs.albeit, and a society that creates them. Also worth considering, (even if you could argue it's part of stimulating the spiral of inflation) the free and/or sponsered, Health Care, education, food and fuel benefits. Read Subsidies. Then before you know it. It's a whole new subject and political discussion.

The Venezuelan story

Seems to tell a tale of keeping the employment numbers up by keeping actual wages down but the government then props up the poor employee with food vouchers and subsidized markets. I say down because the comparison should be made with in-country jobs, not comparing a Venezuelan worker with a Nica or a Honduran. I mean, how much are tomatoes in Canada?...I don't know and it matters not to me here. What matters is how much of my salary will they cost me here.

Cheap labor may attract business but how much are business taxes, employee and employer contributions compared to other LA countries.

As with Nicaragua, it looks like the employer pays 13 months salary per year for 11 months worth of work: one month extra salary Aguinaldo (Xmas bonus) and one month paid vacation.

In Nicaragua, a full employer contribution is 46% of salary ($14.60 for every $10 you pay them has to added to your payroll for non direct salary costs). What is it in Venezuela? If the government are paying some of that 46% as a break to the businesses for providing jobs, then its not really a fair comparison.

There are nine of them, see first line of my post.

see link to the agreement in the first line of my post.

The ruins of Granada

I'm sure it does benefit some people.

Then there are those who have gotten fat off the excesses of the tourists. There are plenty who probably get by just by asking for handouts (see the wheelchairs being pushed around many intersections in Managua). Then there are those who learn to live better just by asking for the right handouts from the right people. My single weekend in Granada ruined the city for me. There were a myriad of issues but the biggest were the people who tried to take advantage of me. In Managua, it's an extra effort to get me to buy something. In Granada, it's a guy selling boat services who tells you that he wants extra money "for his time" while you're on your way back to shore. In Granada it's the ridiculous prices people charge for terrible food and (generally) terrible service. In Granada, it's the undercooked cashews that sell for the same prices as in Managua (admittedly they were bigger bags). In Granada it's the old woman who asks for some water and after bringing the bottle to her, she asks for a (US) dollar. In Granada it's the teenage boys heading down the street who try to aggressively hit on the gringo women just because they might get lucky and suggesting that in the past they have been lucky.

So yes, I'm sure it does benefit some people. To me, it seems like a lot of people have simply managed to feed off the largess of people with more money than they know how to responsibly use. It seems more like tourism has ruined the city.

Terrible food

It takes some doing, and/or remarkably consistent back luck, to get terrible food in Granada; it is actually one of the easier, larger places in Central America to consistently get good food; a far beter argument can be made for tourism saving the city, not ruining it; the problems you identify exist all over the world where there are huge income gaps - and these same problems exist when the income in question isn't generated by a heavy tourism indstry.

I have to say that I

I have to say that I experienced less begging and hard sell from vendors in Granada than in Managua. Didn't really have any issues at all while in Granada. In San Juan Del Sur I saw no begging and the food and service were excellent. I noticed that you said you haven't traveled much, one thing I find invaluable before going to a new country is researching local customs, particularly hand gestures, I have found that knowing the correct local gestures in busy mercados and streets quite often keeps beggars and merchants away if they bother you. Just a suggestion.

Granada is the best known tourist attraction in Nicaragua

The best places to be a traveller are the places where there aren't so many tourists, but I think you've got to be curious about how other people live, without needing handholding.

A friend of mine who traveled solo in Guatemala said that when she was out of the big tourist areas, she felt safer -- not enough pickings for the ladrones and beggars.

Some people come to foreign countries to get laid or to have intense emotional relationships with people they can barely communicate with. Shrug.

Rebecca Brown

Visit more, it gets better.

Nothing you describe is particular to Granada, or Nicaragua.

To some extent, it appears

To some extent, it appears to be specific to Granada. In my limited personal experience in Leon, there are none of these problems. I suspect the problem I have stems from the type of tourist visiting each area. That is, the genuinely wealthy often end up in Granada. I'm assuming that they're spending money unwisely and the population just wised up to the opportunity and decided to exploit it. In that sense, it is not particular to Granada. In fact, I suspect San Juan del Sur is much the same which is why I'm not planning on visiting either city.

For me, it was interesting as a lesson learned. I've never seen a city so clearly ruined by tourism. I also don't vacation much. :p

I'd be interested to know what you and others see in the city though. Maybe there's something I missed. For example, I quite liked the donuts from a local La Union or La Colonia. Not quite as good as the resposteria Gutierrez in Esteli but close. :)

Donuts?

Presumably, you have good pre-tourist boom experience in Granada - otherwise the claim that tourism ruined it doesn't have much meaning. But, then again, if you do not travel much and the height of your trip to Granada was donuts that were nearly as good as those from Esteli, it is hard to believe you are really in a position to offer much insight. There are far more "cheap" tourists in Granada than wealthy tourists. It takes time to get a feel for Granada, as it and the greater area are bigger than they might seem via Granada proper. But, it is all overun by the backpacker model tourist, and the indefinite tourists who more or less live there. Same with San Juan Del Sur, as both cities are well populated by business owners (gringo and otherwise) who spend much of the week (month, year, and soon decade) lamenting the fact that the city is flooded by people staying in rooms, houses, apts, dorms, etc, for a few dollars and eating in markets to save money, etc., as opposed to dumping big money there in the city.

I really enjoyed my visits to Granada

I purposefully stayed for no more than a week at a time. It's a little too busy for me and the weather too hot, a week is about right. The food was varied and I can't remember anything bad about any meal we had. The market was handy for fruits and veggies and local Nicaraguan Family eateries were really good value. I liked the mix of expats and backpackers- also the variety of places to stay which really did give you a selection depending on needs and taste. Buses are handy for all sorts of destinations. People are friendly and generally with the usual common sense one feels very safe. Only once my wife was bothered when she went to the shops on her own, and some young kid(s) on glue or similar High pestered her for a little too long. She might have been a little more freaked if it had been later in the evening. I would recommend anyone check the place out. Then move on..lots more to see..and for me cooler weather.

Instead of criticizing places you have never been to...

Why don't you tell us what and where you did like about Nicaragua. Seeing as "You want in and she wants out"...or has that changed. BTW, get used to your girlfriend being hit on. I don't agree with it but you or I ain't gonna stop it...in any country.

Have to have those wages higher

...since tourism causes inflation.

The wages offered here for hotel work was C$5,000 a month for a managerial job, not as much as $250 a month US by current exchange rates, so she was trying to charge 1st world prices and pay Nicaraguan wages. Shrug.

Construction isn't just about building hotels -- there's a fair amount of it here with the government in building the new market (which has been ongoing for a few years now but which looks like it will be open for business fairly soon). Most of the private construction in Jinotega has been repairing or building houses for local people. Couple of people are building apartments or converting buildings into apartments. The smart ones are making things that can rent to Nicaraguans as well as whatever few gringos land here.

Estab. Financ y Seg. seem to pay as much as construction. If I'm reading that correctly, Financial establishments would take care of my neighbor quite well in a job that's on-going women's work, not temporary like construction. This is also a big regional banking town, apparently (expect that's true of all department capitals as Esteli had its corner of banks, too). Banking pay varies all over the maps. Interest rates here are rather high, so I imagine banks do rather well in good years.

Machu Picchu can afford to restrict tourists to 2,500 a day to protect the site. I doubt Jinotega gets 2,500 actual tourists a year. The cheapest hotel in Machu Picchu is $40 for a single in their high season; most expensive is $479. Tell me why I should go to Silva Negra rather than Machu Picchu again? Cheaper and shorter travel time would be about it.

I suspect that the official minimum wage for government workers has to be lower than every thing other than farm laborers for political reasons. I suspect real wages in government depend on skills. People with rarer necessary skills will earn more (Sharif was complaining that the government paid programmers more than he could afford to pay them if I'm remembering correctly).

Rebecca Brown