Late fees for over staying VISA

As always I'm about 245 days past my original 90, a Nica acquaintance told me today the they have raised the fine from 20C a day to 40C a day...Is this true?

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Cedula

Being in Nicaragua now - I am looking at these posts again and hope to figure out the fine line as to what is the real set up.... My passport was stamped at immigration in Feb of 2011 when I obtained my cedula - same day I believe. The Cedula is good for 5 years.... so I do not have restrictions on the time I can stay in the country whether it is 4 months or 8 months at a time. ?

Question next however is I am wondering when I go to renew my passport in Canada, will the goverment have issue with me being "resident permanente" ? I am thinking will this affect my Canadian status with regards to eventual social security when I reach this age ? Or not ???

And I'm not sure if I get this either... do I have to be in NIcaragua a minimum of 6 months per year to maintain my residency status ? And if not, would they now be able to monitor well enough to realize you did not manage a full 6 months inside and revoke your cedula ?

Likewise I think Canada requires you be in the country every 6 months in order to maintain your medical coverage... but I think you can reside outside of Canada as long as you like per year providing you do not stay away any one time for more than the 6 month period.

Now for my friend with only a passport.... do you have to go to Metro Centro only 7 days or less prior to the end of the 90 day period or does anyone know you can definately go say 60 days into the 90 and renew then ? and would it renew only to the date you wish to leave or a full 90 days again as of the day your showed up or as of the day your first 90 days expire.

Very much appreciate everyones help to get these issues defined... thanks.

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About renewing your passport:

To get to the point -- stop worrying about renewing your passport. In legalese -- obtaining a Canadian passport is a right of citizenship. Once you become a citizen the federal government cannot deprive you of this status, so they cannot refuse you a new passport, unless a federal judge orders the police to hold your passport pursuant to a criminal investigation, or if you are convicted of a crime until your sentence has finished. Otherwise, your country of residence is irrelevant. There are Canadians who haven't set foot in the country for 20 years who travel on Canadian passports.

About medical coverage:

To get to the point --- The feds don't set the rules about medical coverage, the provinces set the rules. In practical terms, a province generally does not find out when and for how long you are physically present in the province, unless you tell them. So if you want to fib .... On the other hand, Juanno says that Alberta cancelled his health care coverage, so I wonder how it found out.

More technical details --- Every province that I know of says you must be physically present in the province for half a year plus one day in any twelve-month period in order to qualify. The half-year does not need to be than six consecutive months. E. g., you can enter the province for three months and then leave, and do this four times within a 12-month period, and you still qualify. However, it is the feds that keep the records of your entrances and exits from Canada, and currently they do not share these records with the provinces except in occasional cases. This will probably change at some point in the future but I don't think it will happen until a long time from now.

About taxation of your Canadian pension income;

OK this is where it gets more complicated.

The federal government can decide you are a "non-resident of Canada" for tax purposes. If it does this, it will apply a minimum, flat, 25% withholding tax on all your Canadian-source income, including your Canada Pension Plan payments (equivalent to U.S. Social Security).

If your income is high enough, you may end up paying more than 25%, but not less. But hold on -- if you pay income tax to the Nicaraguan government, you can deduct this amount from Canadian taxable income, which might in your case mean you end up paying no more than 25% (but not less).

Does the fact that you have become an official resident of Nicaragua mean that the federal government can decide you are a "non-resident of Canada" for tax purposes? No, not for that reason alone, and not now.

tte federal government can't just snap its fingers and decide that you are a non-resident of Canada for tax purposes no matter how long live in Nicaragua. It all depends on where you live in Nicaragua.

As a very general rule of thumb, if you buy a home in Nicaragua and live in it for most of the year, or if you rent homes in Nicaragua, then the government can decide that you are a non-resident. But if you stay in hotels or friends put you up without charging you rent, then the government cannot do so.

So the issue becomes this: How would the Government of Canada find out whether you buy or rent a home in Nicaragua? For practical purpose, the GoC could only prove this if Canada's consulate in Nicaragua decides to target you for an investigation and the Nicaraguan Government actively co-operates.

Note that this stuff applies only to Nicaragua and a handful of other countries in the world. Also, Canada's rules may change you before you reach retirement.

Taxation issues are so complicated that you really should speak to a Canadian accountant with experience in cross-border tax issues. Everything is case-by-case.

My read...

You are not really a Permanent Resident, you have a card valid for 5 years allowing you to live here for that period. Seeing as they could refuse to renew it (or even cancel it during that time), then IMO, that is not "permanent". I would get used to NOT using that expression around the Canadian Government.

Taking Citizenship of Nicaragua MAY affect your Canadian status (therefore is a good reason not to do it) and its CPP, not social security. If you wish to vote here or run for office then you would need it.

My understanding is that as long as you are here at least one day per calendar year, your residency remains valid. My friend had his seized at the border upon entry from CR...he was coming up from Panama to renew it but had been gone 2 years. They took it off him at the border and told him to go to Managua, where he was on his way to anyway!.

My Alberta Health was cancelled after 6 months away, its the law. In fact they were so frantic about it, they refunded money just to make sure I could not say I was covered.

Don't know on the Metro Centre question.

Alberta

How did Alberta find out you had left the province for six months? Did you volunteer this information?

Yes...

The point of keeping your Alberta Health Care "Alive" is in case you need it, right? It is Health Care Insurance and you pay a premium, like any insurance. If you don't qualify for the benefits, you can't claim any ergo they don't want to carry you.

From their web site:

Extended absence from Alberta

You must maintain your Alberta Health Care Insurance Plan coverage if you leave Alberta for another part of Canada and intend to return within 12 months, or leave for another country and intend to return within six months. If you are leaving for a longer period and intend to return to Alberta, you may be considered for one of the the following extensions of coverage:

Four years (48 months) for absence due to work, business or missionary service; Two years (24 months) for travel, personal visits or educational leave (sabbatical); or The time period you are a full-time student at an accredited educational institute.

If you are physically present in Alberta for at least 183 days in a 12 month period, you remain eligible for continued Alberta Health Care Insurance Plan coverage. If you are away longer, contact us.

I could have claimed that I fell under the "Two years (24 months) for travel, personal visits or educational leave (sabbatical)" but after paying for 6 months after I had left, I told them I had left the country and had no plans to return (see first paragraph from the web site above). As it is now, after well over 5 years absence, I would be cancelled anyway.

Can't Renew Before 7 days

I used to renew my visa at the Estelí office of Inmigración every three months. But they wouldn't let me renew before 7 days of the expiration date. I used to go 6 days before. They send your passport to Managua to get it stamped. They send it back to Estelí and I usually got it back in a week. Once it took 11 days because of a national holiday. Also, you can only renew once or 180 days total without leaving the country. The last time I did this was in August of 2010. I since have gotten my cedula.

extension of 90 days

I am aware of going to Metrocentro to obtain from that office of immigration, the extension of a visit past 90 days ( which I believe is the limit of time one is allowed to stay in the country just with a passport entry )... I have a cedula now which allows me maximum 6 months ? I think ? but my associate is with only a regular passport to enter / exit ... but as we will be in Nicaragua for almost 5 months this winter , I am wondering if / when to apply for his extension... Do you have to do this right before the 90 day limit or can it be done on arrival ? Driving to Managua just for this is a pain and better to do so when arriving for us. thanks for info on this...

If you have a cedula

your limit is whatever is stamped on one of the last pages of your passport. It should be 5 years unless you goofed and got a shorter time. If you have a cedula you are not a tourist and do not pay the usd 10 entrance fee at the airport.

Your friend needs to stop by ther nearest migracion office before his 89 days are up. It`s no big deal, just be aware his passport will be in Managua for a while (something like 2 days plus weekends plus holidays plus hangover/catchup days).

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duration of stay with cedula

Thanks... actually I got my Cedula during my stay this past winter... When I arrived I only had the application stamped papers which they accepted and stamped my passport with a large square stamp Residente Permanente Feb 23 2011 ( I arrived in early December )... suppose this was a courtesy. However now I have a real Cedula card so you are saying on entering I can stay as long as I like... although I have to be back in Canada before 6 months for my Canadian citizenship to remain also. But my friend only has a passport... so before the 90 days - he would go to Metrocentro and have to leave the passport for a few days and return... what is the cost to extend ? and does the cost relate to the time you ask for ie one month or 3 months ? Is there any office to do this in Rivas ? Would the passport return to Rivas or does one have to do the trip to Managua to retreive it ? Or I suppose the Costa Rica trip for a day or two requirement ? My car has Nica plates so I assume it is relatively easy to cross the border and return ? Do you know what it costs to do this ? car cost ? person cost ? bribes ? I am assuming Honduras would also be an option for the in and out routine ?

Victor, you need to swot up a bit...

"However now I have a real Cedula card so you are saying on entering I can stay as long as I like" ...As long as the cedula is valid, then you become a tourist again, if you don't renew it, so make sure you do.

"although I have to be back in Canada before 6 months for my Canadian citizenship to remain also"

...you mean landed immigrant status for Canada (States to Canada Immigrant)? If you have an actual Citizenship, it doesn't have a fixed expiry date.

"but my friend only has a passport... so before the 90 days - he would go to Metrocentro and have to leave the passport for a few days and return"

....No, hit Metro Centre right and it can be done in a couple of hours. Fees have all just gone up, don't know about this one, used to be 210 cord a month for max of 3 months, 630 cords, You can't do it Rivas.

"My car has Nica plates so I assume it is relatively easy to cross the border and return"

....Wrong, its a pain in the ass. Papers fees and more papers. Quicker, easier and less stress to bus or taxi to the border and walk over. You can get back through in an hour or two or go to Liberia for the night by bus.

"I am assuming Honduras would also be an option for the in and out routine" ...No, its one of the 5 CA countries that are not part of the deal. Mexico north or Costa Rica south. .

Any immigration office

You don't have to go to the main office or Metrocentro. You can apply for the extension in any of the offices. Just make sure you do it before your 89 days (the day you entered and the current day are included when they count your time) is up. It will require two trips because they send your Passport to Managua.

No idea how long before the 90 is up you can renew. I did it maybe two weeks before and it was 90 days added to the end of my current Visa.

Right to re-entry

The other piece which tends to get ignored is that Nicaragua could restrict your right to re-entry if you overstay your visa and/or elect to not accept your residency application. I know of no case where this has happened yet but it has happened with Costa Rica recently.

If I actually planned to ever re-enter—say you have your household goods or your girlfriend in Nicaragua, it just seems to be like a bad idea to use overstaying a tourist visa as temporary residency. In fact, just re-entering on a tourist visa is pretty questionable. I have been told but have seen in a way that officially, 180 days/year is the maximum for tourists.

Yep, blame the Japs for the new computers

The "swiping" is working and the answers to the questions you get asked are on the screen as they speak. One frequent 90 day girl was told that that it was about time she got her residency. The border Migracion people don't change much and some live here in SJdS so they get to know who is a tourist and who is an "extender".

up to now (or whenever the change occured)

overstaying was cheaper & easier than any other option, never any ill will from immigration. Different game now I don't blame them either just a shock to my getting out of here finances.. If I'm 245 days over my 90 thats another 90 days at 40C followed by 155 days at 80C....I believe it adds up to 16,000 Cords ($707) Double check my math...I'm just glad I got the 16000 cords

extension

Cost for an extension was 220 a month. Anyone know what it is now?Pura Nica, Bobby

Yep and more...

40 cords a day up to 90 and then 80 cords a day. Ran into it at the airport last week. big shock for a gringo couple who were 150 days over..ZZT

that's what immigration told me

in Granada too even saw it in print, but the official at the airport went a straight 50C a day based on 30 day months instead of day count,

$1,000?

every 90 days? Cheaper to go to Costa rica every 90 days?

"Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'sir' without adding, 'you're making a scene." -Homer J. Simpson

They have the stats

Average tourist stays 6.9 days and spends $48 a day.

If you need more than a couple of 3 months you are not really a tourist. Leave, renew and come back on time or pay....or get a residency card and go through the "show/prove who you are, and why you wanna live here". That's about it isn't it? Seems fair to me based on the requirements of other countries, say Canada and USA and considering what they would put a Nica through.

I´m assumed that there was something on the books about a late stay or red flagging you as such. i.e. worse case scenario not let you back in. Perhaps not, hence the increase making residency a better financial bet.