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I just created this new forum (and moved an existing post here) because there really was no place where talking about growing things really fit. Here is the type of posts I feel would fit here.

  • Any "how can I"/"what can I" grow questions (and answers)
  • Where to get seeds, supplies, ...
  • Growing success stories (and failures)
  • Commercial farming issues

Put another way, "How-To/Hands-On" questions and answers about agriculture on any scale in Nicaragua. This could also be a good place for a "seed exchange". For example, I have basil and dill seed from crops I have grown here and would be happy to share.

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X-mas trees

Does any body knows where I can buy a "LIVE" X-mas tree? Managua????? Or

There's a place on Carr a

There's a place on Carr a Masaya on Las Colinas' side of the highway (near the Argentinian restaurant or thereabouts, bet km 8-10) that sells live Christmas trees. I'm just not sure if they are already there this early or will be there this year.

Just living is not enough, one must have sunshine, freedom and a little flower - H.C. Andersen

X-mas trees

Thank you

We have them

In CoolTop. But, while you are welcome to come decorate them, we plan to keep them live. :-)

X-mas trees

I need one for my house, do you sell them??

I'm sure he does

But you have to keep them on the Cool Top property and connected to the original roots.

If you would like one please send me a message and I'll arrange to have a very nice tree picked out for you.

Fees for decorating the trees vary by size. :-)

X-mas trees

doh!

Any thoughts on the . . .

Any thoughts on the . . . raising of beef cattle in Nicaragua. Where would one go to find the price of calves? Sale price at full weight? Do slaughterhouses contract for bulls or is their an auction house? Investing in someones existing operation?

fruit and nut trees for the orchard

hello, fellow fruit fanatics! i am developing a permaculture near jinotega and want to increase the variety of tree and nut species on the farm. any idea where in Nicaragua i might be able to obtain trees like macadamia, walnut, kola nut, hazelnut, black sapote, durian, jackfruit, etc??? yes, let's start a seed bank/exchange! i have a limited supply of jaboticaba and troton seeds to share! Jinotega has persimmon trees naturalized (i know where) and i hear that Esteli has olives (where?).

hola, fanaticos de fruta! estoy desarrollando una permacultura en jinotega y quiero aumentar las variedades de frutas y nuezes en la finca, ya que tengo la flora local. en Nicaragua, donde puedo conseguir arboles frutales y de nuezes como Macadamia integrifolia, nuez, nuez de cola, avellana, Diospyros digyna, durian, Artocarpus heterophyllus, manzana, pera, etc??? empezamos un banco de semillas. comparto semillas de jaboticaba y troton! gracias!

Tree Guy in Jinotepe

I haven't seen any of your above mentioned varieties, but this guy (Angel 666-7007)sold us cashew, coco, nispero, guyaba, and cacao. They are small, maybe 3ft tall, but cheap. He is extremely enthusiastic, beware giving him your phone # unless you don't mind calls at 7am notifying you on which trees he has at the moment :) And he is in Jinotepe. good luck!

potatos

10 cords for 4 potatos. i all most fell over.

i am looking to buy a small farm now in belin. i offered 2500 a mz the man was not happy. he wants 3000. i still think 2500 is to much. wait and see. www.nicalandsales.com

If you can't find a tool have one made

I've been looking for a hoe for weeks. I finally decided, forget it. I bought a rake, had a local welder cut it into three pieces. He then took an iron tubular frame (looked like one of those hammock hangups for the backyard), cut two pieces from the iron tube and welded a piece to each of the cutoff rake ends. I now have three hoe/cultivators. I have no idea how small farmers cultivate without a light hoe. The hoe? they sell locally could chop down a tree and would exhaust me after an hour. I'm not tearing up a parking lot, I only needed to do a little weeding, pulling up of soil. We'll now I have the tool I need. Mulch is sold by the 1 cubic foot bag here in Granada for $5 a bag. I went to a local furniture maker who will give me all I need if I provide the bags. You really need to (I hate the phrase) . . . think outside the box (store)

hoe down

Sounds like you've already got the hoe, but fyi i purchased one in Masatepe at a ferreteria and have seen them around. what i didn't expect is that they sell only the head, you have to fit a stick as the handle. AND we discovered an organic farm on the road between Jinotepe and San Marcos that sells worm castings--very very nutritious compost (100lbs for 100 cords). If you are interested I can try to find the name...

thanks for the info

Is that hoe head, the one that is about 2lbs of forged iron, or a lighter one like you might find in the US/Canada? The worm castings sounds interesting. I hope to be taking a bus ride out there soon. I've noticed in our own earth here, I'm starting to see some nice sized nightcrawlers. Hell if I know where they come from but, when the soil is right they show up. I wish something would show up that loves a milliped sandwich. We get some finch size birds but, they don't seem to be eating millipeds.

Not good eats.

You would be hard pressed to find anything that would care to dine on them as I believe that they have a unpalatable venom.

come to think of it . . .

that's not the first time I've heard that, though I hold out hope for a bird with a poor sense of taste

Ahh you mean a Dodo bird.

Ahh you mean a Dodo bird. Sorry haven't seen one of those since like 1589. But keep the faith. :)

wholly Molly marnica

If you where around in 1589, I bend my knees in utmost respect for that incredible longevity. Keep looking.

LOL - Roger

Try not to mach me son,

Try not to mach me son, respect your elders.

new tool

back in 1997 i was making these tools it got stolen from me i never used a laywer to watch over my deal ,i thought i could do it on my own. boy was i wrong corp. thiefs! the only thing differant the changed the handle. to fiberglass and rasied the price http://www.accentshopping.com/product.asp?P_ID=153964&utm_source=Froogle...

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los huertos

i just found your website--your project sounds exciting! You have local community members volunteer? I would love to visit and check out your site. Is their a convenient time???

thanks for your interest

the project is in a bit of a holding pattern at the moment. At my place in Granada I've been trying to get seedlings to a transplantable size, sadly so far, with little success. The project was initiated by La Esperanza Granada to allow short term volunteers the opportunity to participate. I wish we'd had better fortune but, the obstacles to success here in Granada have so far be insurmountable.

What's happened bud? Could

What's happened bud? Could you tell us a little bit more, if want to I mean. Was it the people just didn't want to help or didn't know what they were doing. Just what is the hold up. Sorry to pry but should like to know more how not to get in volved with others in this way if it is not going to work out the way it should. Was there something you could have done to make it go better?

the story so far . . .

the story so far . . . well the goal was to try to grow food for less than the cost of buying it but, the properties we're working with are marginal at best for growing food. The areas the we had available to turn into garden plots were areas in the yards that weren't high traffic areas, these areas also happened to be in the partial shade of trees. That wasn't ideal. The other problem was trying to enrich the soil. Material for composting is available at the market but, it is not free, as it is also used as animal feed. The highest input cost is transportation. Getting compostable material delivered to the garden areas, only about 8 kilometres away, still costs five dollars a trip. In the yards, the pigs and poultry are free range, so we either had to fence the animals or the gardens. My choice would have been to fence the animals, let them fertilize an area, and then move the perimeter occassionally. I wasn't able in my poor spanish to get that idea across. I did have the sense that the families were (are) interested in the success of the plots, so I'm not through yet but, I think we're going to have to rely on some chemical fertilizer inputs. As far as being less expensive to grow veg than to buy it, after some upfront costs, this might still be true but, those upfront costs would be prohibitive without subsidy to the families with whom we are dealing.

thats why.

I have 170 cubic yards of perlite and vercumulite sitting in customs in Managua.

It's been there 6 weeks, God only knows what the storage will be.

However in that stuff anything will grow, either as hydroponic system or as a seed bed.

The fertilizer needed is minimal compared to conventional growing.

BTW, they thought in the beginning ( MAGFOR ) that I could make nuclear bombs out of this stuff, I have been educating them for 6 weeks now, and are almost done.

The shit never stops here.

Roger.

perlite

what works good is rice husks for the airation of the soil.

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sugar and water...

applied to the soil will feed the beneficial organisms in the soil also adding charcoal(not ash, but fine powdered charcoal) to the soil (mixing in) will provide a matrix for these to flourish. Once these organisms get going they will provide nutrients to the soil, the charcoal will also retain moisture. If you can get some fruit peels (spoiled fruit) or trimmed leaves from nearby, green or brown dried leaves, layer with soil to start a compost pile. Try to aerate regularly and pile about 1 meter high, soon you will have great mulch to add to the soil as well

I posted some info at;

http://www.nicaliving.com/node/11888

that might be helpful.

-Doug ©

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

Compost, compost, compost

The answer to all gardening questions is compost. Well, most of them. Compost will give a nice shot of beneficial microorganisms to any soil, side dress the plants or make shallow furrows between rows, be sure to cover it up so the hot sun does not bake the microbes out of it.

Don't use any chemicals!!! They kill everything, good and bad!!!

( I haven't been posting here much lately, too busy in my garden. For great info, try organicgardening.com, motherearthnews.com, and in NIcaragua, there's a great magazine called Enlace)

Let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with me.

great mags

i used to sell my shovels in both those magazines for 35 bucks included shipping. they were a good for marketing and information mags

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natural compost

go to the lake and scrap off the broken down material;that blows in off the lake it works great. www.nicalandsales.com

thanks for the tip

thanks for the tip Doug. Making compost is a snap here with the high temps and humidity. The problem has been getting compostable material to the location. The families haven't any scraps, there's no food wastage here. Between the dogs, pigs and chickens it's all gone. The market materials are reasonable at 10 cord for a rice sack but, the transit costs for haulage killed the idea of making compost on site. I'd love to start a community compost project here in Granada but, my spanish isn't up to the task yet. I think it might be possible to have source separation at homes, starting on a street by street basis, if the Alcaldia or a vacant lot owner would kick in the site. I don't think anyone would steal compost, well not until you bagged it. We mulch and compost our garden in the house, and the difference is appreciable. I only wish we had more space, courtyard gardens are great for tropicals but, no where near enough light for most vegetables.

Have you considered growing

Have you considered growing some fallow crops first, then rotating the types of crops to bring the soil up to speed. Very common practice where I used to live. The farmer would not even consider taking in a crop on a new plot for the first year or two because he had to condition the soil first. A mixture of manure and a cheap and rich in nutrient crop that he would simply plow right back into the ground this he did once or twice.

This forum is right on time

I expect to learn a great deal from the discussion this forum will start. My own longterm plan is to put into practice a variety of techniques from "The Samaka Guide to Homesite Farming", a Filipino guide developed by the Samaka Service Center in the 1960s that put a great deal of emphasis on village cooperation and self reliance. The essence of the movement was to help campesinos maximize what they could do on a small plot of land of 600 to 1000 square meters and neighborhood cooperation. It combines compatible, intensive gardening, and fruit trees along with aquaculture, sanitation, seed beds, poultry and pigs (blech!). To a lesser extent, I think that the Cubans are utilizing this these days with their emphasis on urban agriculture. My sister in law is an organic agronomist in Mexico who just returned from a two week course in Havana with an eye toward bringing the techniques to Mexican urban areas. I'd also like to experiment with the Bengal System of hydroponics which is supposed to be suitable to areas where soil cultivation is difficult or impossible like savannahs and urban areas. The book I have gives lots of ideas for low cost systems that are labor intensive but using existing resources and materials. Also, there's a small book I've got called Leucaena Based Farming put together through the experiences of farmers in Indonesia to combat soil erosion, provide lena because the trees are so quick growing, and the leaves can be used as a feed supplement and are nutrient rich for digging back into the soil. Does anyone have experience with dry composting latrines? I have a booklet from CEMAT in Guatemala that describes the Guatemalan version of the double vault dry composting latrines that were developed in the 1950s in North Vietnam that are said to have reduced intestinal diseases and provide fertilizer. As I read somewhere: "a waste is a resource out of place".... Thanks for getting this forum going, fyl.

dry composting latrines

my gardening experience of the past 2 years.

The house we’re renting in town at the 850 meter level has a classic ¨¨prison yard ¨patio: cement floor, 3 m concrete walls topped with barbed wire. Good news: no wind. Bad news: during the dry season it’s a deluxe solar oven. Nonetheless, I´ve had some luck, surprisingly with things I´m familiar with from the states, including roses, geraniums, spearmint, and succulents. Container growing works well here, especially since I can move the plants around seasonally to protect them from the climate. Believe it or not, after being here a while I ordered a copy of Sunsets Western Garden Guide from Amazon .com. Seems like a weird choice, but keep in mind this guide includes Hawaii, the SoCal banana belt, and subtropical desert areas of the southwest, so it ends up being very useful for here in northern Nic in the tropical dry forest. If you are not familiar with the tropical dry forest, look it up in Wikipedia. In a nut shell, it’s a desert 6 to 7 months a year , and something near a rainforest 5 to 6 months a year. Planter mix? Drawing on my desert years in the Mohave, I make my own. Standard mix is ½ composted steer manure and ½ coarse sand (the kind the masons use). Mix for succulents, seeds, etc: ¾ sand with ¼ compost. A small handful of chemical fertilizer is mixed into each batch. If I had any rice hulls or charcoal/ashes I would probably mix that in , too. We have a lot, also at the 850 meter level which is fenced but still doesn’t have water, so I have gone slow in planting it. Some things I´ve had limited success with in growing in the rainy season and hauling enough water to survive in the dry are passion fruit, both yellow and granadilla, chayote squash, and a couple Mexican/US peppers . My bananas are growing, and my papayas are setting fruit. The soil is a heavy black clay on what used to be a tomato and sweet pepper farm. The neighbors are still growing Guinea grass to feed to cows and chaya (chayote). I´ve contoured the lot so it has decent drainage and we will build when there are utilities available. Gardening prospects are good, with the limitations of the small lot size and some large trees on the property line which give enough shade that corn did not grow right this year.

Our other property is at the 1350 meter level in a swampy area surrounded by pine/oak cloud forest. It is noticeably cooler, and the soil is best described as muck in the rainy season, and brick-hard clay in the dry. We have a small house on the property now and a groundkeeper who has given us much help and advice. We´ve had good crops of corn and squash . Chinas (impatiens) grow great and the geraniums are thriving, as is the chaya on the fence. Bananas are just starting to flower, and my tomatoes might make it now that the rains are ending. Quiquiste( a Central American root crop similar to Asian taro) does well. Cilantro did well, but it looks like the tops may rot before I can get seed. I’ll have to try again in the dry to get seeds. From what I can find, guayaba (guava in English) is the only fruit tree that will survive well in our soil/climate. I also planted about 40 eucalyptus trees for firewood and because the locals claim they help dry out the soil.

Long term strategy is to grow row crops on raised beds measuring about 1 foot high and 4 feet wide. This is the only way to protect the roots of plants because the water table runs about 6 inches to 1 foot below the surface all the rainy season. I am trying to improve the soil with compost. I am also growing comfrey to improve the soil. Supposedly its roots go deep and the leaves can be added to the compost or mulch.

Soil born leaf funguses are a real problem because of the cool, wet weather and frequent rains. Local commercial growers grow potatoes and cabbage, but use no crop rotation and up to 12 sprayings per crop!! Thanx, but no thanx, I´m going to try a contrarian approach and grow things that don´t need the sprays and rotate as best I can on my small property. I,m going to try tomatoes and peppers in containers in a greenhouse during the dry. One crop that does grow good here without spray is manzanilla(cammomile). It’s sold for the herb tea trade.

These fungus problems are one reason I don´t think square foot gardening is a good idea in the wet tropics. You have to live with the daily rains and mud for just a while to see that things need to be elevated and spread out. Possibly in the dry with irrigation you could do some square foot with things like cilantro, beets, onions, etc.

For fertilizer, I bought 1 bag (quintal—100 lbs) each of 15-15-15 and 0-0-70 from a local ag store. Consumer grade packaging is not available here. Be sure to store your surplus in a sealed plastic bag in a plastic can or it will suck water out of the air and be damaged Works fine, but with the rains fertilize frequently with smaller dosages so it all doesn’t wash away every day with the rain. My grounds keeper is also big on foliar sprays, which I have no experience with but it seems like a good idea.

with liquid fertilizers and try some US type bush squashes and Zucchini On the 850 m lot I will plant some more papayas, especially is I can find a source for the small sweet ones. On the 1350 m quinta I will work on the raised beds, compost, and soil improving, and try to nurse my quiquiste and bananas thru the dry. Also have a few strawberries in pots which I want to use as propagation stock.

Ps, for those of you up north, the great cuisines of Mexico and the southwest don’t For the coming dry season I want to get serious with tomatoes and peppers in containers translate down here. If you want it, you have to grow it and cook it yourself. I,m starting with cilantro, poblano, Anaheim, and pasilla and I brought a couple cook books from the states. Garlic here is imported from China (what else is new?). I´m going to experiment with it and also look for a source for bunching onion seed.

¨Nicaragua is poor for a reason¨