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Hold on new cedulas
Submitted by charliedawson on Wed, 2008/08/27 - 20:32.
My wife just returned from Nicaragua after visiting her sick father, and gathering some information. We always knew that since she was born in Nicaragua (Matagalpa), it would be easy (and fast) for her to obtain a cedula, but there is now a new twist. It seems that there is a hold on new cedulas (or at least repatriation cedulas) until the new year. Her brother is a lawyer in Managua, and he can't help. Her father also has friends in the right places, and they can't help. It looks like someone wants to keep out new voters. Does anyone have any info on this?
I've heard the same...
My fiance's cedula expired 4 years ago and when he tried to go renew it last month, he was told he couldn't until after the elections. His town is FSLN-run, and he has been volunteering with the PLC, and he believes that's why they won't give him his cedula now. However, can't you vote even without a cedula? He told me that several years ago he went to register voters in a remote area up north, where most people didn't have cedulas.
Sometimes you have to read
Sometimes you have to read between the lines. After reading this article in worldpress.org The Second Coming of Daniel Ortega http://www.worldpress.org/Americas/3062.cfm. Also with what is well known in Cuba in regards to community policing. Maybe policing is not the right word. How it works is like this. In every acre or so of area in town perhaps a two block zone, a person in that community is chosen, elected to look after the community and business affairs in his or her designated area. This person it obligated to obtain and enter into record the nature of the business, the persons political affiliations and other personal information before they are granted permission to live or do business in that area. If you meet all the necessary requirements then all is well. Now Ortega says that his Assemblies of Citizen Power are open to all no matter of the person’s politics so long as he and his people decide it’s OK (reading between the lines) At this point it is not so much that they (the present government) knows your political leanings it is that they don’t, so until they have a legitimate means of obtaining this information things would be put on hold specially in regards to ex-pats jaded by the American way. Until they pin you down they will keep a watchful eye. So you can expect to wait. Wait for what exactly? Well in this humble boys opinion they are going weigh you out. Kind of like preemptive FBI screening. Your political affiliations, wealth, power, education, ocupation and how all this can be used against or for them. Sometimes it is as important; not knowing then it is, knowing. What I mean is that if you don’t shout from the roof tops and declare your one of them. Then it can be reasonably assumed your NOT. Guilt by non association.
Hold up caused coming elections unless you're SANDIAS
As a NICA, I believe the last day to request a cedula or make change of address in order to vote in the Nov elections, was early to mid August. Now, if you're voting for SANDIAS or know a CPC or big cheese in the FSLN, I'm sure the rules don't apply.
CEDULA IMPOUNDING IS A SANDINISTA ELECTORAL TACTIC
Luisito that is the truth.
There was a big expose in Canal 2 and many many Nicaraguan NGO's on how the electoral council impounded the Cedulas and would only release the cedulas to those individuals who had received vetting from the Sandinista party.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTv5LeQc5f0
In fact when channel 2 using hidden camera asked the CSE office in Chinandega how to to get his cedula the person told him to go to the sandinista headquarters!!!!!!!!!
Also the sandinistas extort money from people (no surprise there) as a condition to get their cedulas released.
http://www.laprensa.com.ni/archivo/2008/julio/08/noticias/politica/27048...
This is how the sandinistas stay in power by controlling the CSE and vote fraud.
Read this expose by a sandinista newspaper no less. It mentions on how young people are being disenfranchised by cedula politics.
http://impreso.elnuevodiario.com.ni/2008/08/07/nacionales/82472
Now certain people will say that because this information is not in english it is not credible...go figure
Facts behind the rumors?
This certainly seems like a reasonable assumption but another reasonable assumption is that Nicaraguan cédulas are being upgraded to be like resident ones (as well as driver's licenses, gun permits and vehicle registrations).
I am wondering if anyone has any solid information on all this.
THE REAL REASON FOR THE DELAY
is that Managua will have an election in November for Mayor.
The sandinistas control the electoral council and conveniently have stopped issuing cedulas (except for their supporters).
Just the same old Marxist tactics....
How
Do they know is their supporters? My wife is a supporter and her cedula is expired. Are you telling me if she went back before the elections hers wuold be given priority? How would they do this, given the fact that you know so much
HOW
Nicaus I dont know if this is pertinent to the the cedula issue but my sister in-law was asked to fill out an information form at the Transito in Managua where she worked and it included a query about her political affiliation. When she left it blank, her new supervisor retuned the form and told her it was a mandatory question, she filled it out as independent and was released a week later as were several other long time workers. No overt Frente supporters were fired. This ocurred a month after Daniels landslide election win. She looked for an abogado to help and was told by all including mine that it would be a waste of time. Preiously the Ministerio de Trabajo would be the place to file a grievance but I would imagine that the reorganization of the ministries to better serve the proletariat would make that less than ideal. The average Nica has seen this movie before and is neither surprised nor outraged, its just business as usual. How would the Government know who is a Sandinista? On every block in every pueblo, every Nica knows who is who.
Not just new
Ana's cédula expired two years ago but she was told back then that it would remain valid "for a while". Well, she went to renew it. She did all the steps just assuming that, of course, she would get something new.
Well, she did. A brand new copy of her cédula that expired two years ago.
So, I'm confused.
I was told
that there is a mechanical problem with the machine that prints the cards and that it will be fixed in a month or two. make of that what you will, but could be true. Likely they have one machine and if it breaks not going to get fixed overnight. I don't know what the card even looks like, but probably some special printer, etc. Sounds a bit simplistic, but could be true.
On the other hand, who knows.
I will say that up to the printing of the document, my stuff went smoothly. Unlike ay of the horrer stories on here that I have read. Then again, I don't have it in hand, so the last step may be the kicker.
i am checking on getting a letter so I can get my stuff in without a "card". We let you know what happens. Wish me luck.
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