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madness with customsSubmitted by johanneswilm on 4 August, 2008 - 09:11.
Hey, I just received some three packages through Transexpress. It's nothing special: a part of a microphone, 4 standard-sized 9V rechargeable battery and a Sony camcorder battery. However, I still haven't been able to get a hold of these. First I got a notice that they were held by customs in Managua. Transexpress sent me a letter saying they needed a copy of a a resident or identity ID. However, I didn't want to wait for a letter to go to Managua, so I went to their headquarters in Managua myself with a copy of my passport as well as the original. Once there, they told me that the rule of a copy only applied to a Nicaraguan cedular and in the case of other ID documents, they need the original. So I was ready to give up my passport, and I made a deal that next time a package arrives, the delivery guy will pick up my passport. However, this time I would go the airport myself. Once I was there, the Transexpress person in charge there showed me my packages, and opened them for inspection, and dropped the microphone part on the floor in the process. I didn't have more time, so I asked if they could just take my passport, and let me sign everything else that was left. The Transexpress person there however changed the story, and said that as a foreigners, they don't only need the passport, but also a letter signed by a lawyer that they can do the processing by themselves. I finally had to go because I didn't have more time. Now today I wanted to start it again, but now the story has changed again and they tell me that because I have stayed here for more than three months (with a visa extension to 6 months), I can no longer use my passport to get the package, and so the only way of getting the package is by paying full custom fees. If I'm not mistaken, they are around 80-90% of the value of the item in question. Please, has anybody any good ideas what to do? Should I go to Costa Rica to get the stamp to then be able to get my package? ( categories: )
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Thanks!
Hey again, and thanks for all the comments!
But really I must say that I think they are right at the aduana now. The law CT-001-2003 Cauca y Recauca Articulo 210 b (google it) states clearly that things that arrive in the mail after three months are not counted as part of a person's luggage, and so import taxes have to be paid. Also, according to Articulo 93 of the same law, one needs a cedular of identidad or of residencia to work with the 500 CA pesos over a 6 months period limit of import without paying taxes. I called Transexpress yesterday, and the chief there, Luis Vallez, said they would check it out and pay the taxes and then call me again if there were any further problems. This morning then, I received here in Leon the paperwork for the third package. I signed for receiving it, but told the delivery guy that it was a mistake as I had a deal with Transexpress that they would deal with it. I was pretty furious and called Transexpress again. A lady there explained to me that because I had left the paperwork for the first two package with a person from customs, who now refused to hand the paperwork over to them, I have to do it all by myself now. So tomorrow is another fun day at the aduana in Managua... The "bad guys" in this story are though Transexpress, who apparently mess it up again and again, instead of informing me about the legal situation from the very start. Had I known all this, I would simply have paid the import charges and not have to go to Managua twice (or thrice, let's see how it turns out tomorrow).
-- Johannes Wilm http://www.johanneswilm.org
The end
So this is how it ended: Yesterday I left León at 7:00am and was back at my place 5:55pm, just in time to give my class. In-between I had been spending the entire time at the Transexpress offices and customs and busses/taxis going back and forth. First I went to Transexpress, asking whether they could give me the papers for package three, that I had refused to accept when they came to León the day before. What happened was that on Monay had spoken to Luis Vallez at Transexpress, and he had ensured me that they would handle the entire process and just let me pay customs, and call me back if something didn't work. Then the next day the papers for just one package arrived in León, and f course I thought they had messed it up, and sent them back to Managua. I called the Managua office, and they then said that customs had refused to give them the papers for the first two packages, and so they sent me the papers for the third (ok, makes no sense). Back in the office yesterday morning, the lady behind the counter calls the company that is sending the papers back to them, and all we get to know is that it's on the way somewhere. I end up going to a cyber cafe and to fake the invoice/bill of that package in Word and give that back to them, so they can fill out new papers. It's actually one computer-written slip with two signatures on it. I wait, half an hour. I start asking what it is that takes so long. Oh, she's waiting for a phone call from their representative at the Transexpress office at customs to describe the contents of the package. The other paper had said "baterias". I try to tell her that she can just look at the bill, but she insists that it has to be the exact contents as it actually can be found in the package. I happen to have the number of their person there, so I call, and get her on the line immediately. The two speak for a little while. I then wait another 20-30 minutes. Then finally does the paperwork appear. It's just one slip, without descriptions. I ask about the description slip -- "oh, no that is still being send back to us, and we can't write another one" they claim, but then also that I don't need it to get the package. I rush down to customs. I tell the customs agent that there are two package slips waiting already with his colleague Doris. He explains that that might mean that I have to pay a 10USD customs fee three times, because their system isn't made to accept several slips simultaneously, and that there needs to be only one slip listing "3 packages" if I only want to pay it once. How I get such a slip is a mystery to me. We go for inspections, and the Transexpress lady with my package overhears our conversation. "Oh, no, it's 40USD for each, because he has already been here more than three months," she intervenes. We do the inspection, and apparently she has been opening my third package a few times already, so she can explain exactly what is in the batteries and how you use the recharger. Then I call Transexpress, and ask them why they haven't told me of this charge before. They just claim that that was an error by all my previous contact people there, and they offer to do every single package for 17.25USD rather than 40USD, if only I bring the paperwork back to them. In addition come of course 25% customs. Their manager Luis Vallez had claimed it would be "somewhere between 15% and 30%" on Monday, somewhat strange way of saying "25%". When I had been at their office that morning, they had claimed that all payments need to be done at their office, and that all information I had received from their Miami office about me being able to pay the delivery guy didn't apply to Nicaragua, because they subcontract the actual delivery here. Now, on the phone, they suddenly claim that I can pay that fee and customs "electronically" and that I would just need to wait for my package in Leon, where it would likely arrive on Friday. When I had asked at their office whether I needed to pay in cash at customs, one had claimed that I did, but she was then interrupted by the other counter lady, who claimed that payments wouldn't happen here at all and that I would get a slip with sum I needed to pay with which I then would have to take another taxi to a bank to pay. Both things had nothing to do with the truth: they have accepted VISA for 6 months, and do take cash as well. Due to Transexpress just constantly messing up, misinforming and just generally being completely disorganized and me needing my batteries before "Friday" (which in Transexpress-language probably means "Wednesday next week") I decide to just go ahead and pay the 120USD total fee. I try to do it all together, and the lady with the papers for package 1+2 gives me the papers, which I try to transfer to the guy currently dealing with me. But they decide they don't want to do it that way, an I am asked again if not Transexpress should do it. When I decline, she (Doris, my customs agent from Thursday) takes my papers, but then goes of to lunch, claiming to be back in an hour or so. At the end of that hour, during which I mostly just wait and go back and forth between various instances that need to see the package or fill out more paperwork about it, I actually get my first package. Then Doris comes back from lunch, and she goes about the task of getting my other two packages through. The microphone part (worth 80USD, package 1) didn't have a receipt with it, so she is kind enough to set it's value at 1USD. She first tries to make just one package out of it, so that I only pay 40USD once, but her chief doesn't let her go through with it, and so I pay the 80USD there as well, in addition to customs.
At the end of the day, I spent all day at customs, and paid 200USD custom fees for goods with a total cost of 280USD. What I have learned is that I never ever again will have things sent to Nicaragua, at least as long as I don't have a cedula.
PS: I wonder if one should set up a page like "Transexpress sucks" on which one describes all the actual procedures and guidelines, so that people can get to know them, before stumbling upon them by coincidence and when Transexpress happens to tell them.
-- Johannes Wilm http://www.johanneswilm.org
DHL
I have used TransExpress, NicaBox (same company but different game), FedEx, TNT, Correos, some other "special to Nicaragua courier" (whose name I forget) and DHL. Bottom line: if you want it to just work, use DHL. They cost more but they get the job done.
The only time I had a problem was when customs had decided my Nokia N800 was a telephone rather than a computer. DHL didn't know but when I explained it to them, the honcho in Managua emailed me a copy of Nokia N800 info she found on the web to verify it was correct before she beat up customs. She did and won.
On the Estelí end, I have had the woman in the office (there are now two) run out of the office and catch me walking down the street to tell me I had a package.
Karnack says
Might be a two way problem. I can picture the scene from the saga written about it and sense being screwed up is not unique to the shipper or customs.ZZT
Going Postal
The real problems with aduana started in January 2007, when El Dictador took over the country again. No friends will ever accompany me to aduana again - ever. And many have endured the six hours to get some books or a set of hiking gear, etc. I lost $2700 in books to those !@#%$ $@$%#!s. Aduana is more corrupt and incompetent than the police force. I personally cannot ever step foot inside that go-forsaken place or I will go postal. I swear customs is run by Rosarillo. I can't do it. Instead, I return to the States and bring stuff back with me, paying the extra baggage fees. It's worth it. Or I will ask if I can have something mail ordered to friends or clients and relatives planning a trip to SJDS in the near future.
Getting stuff out is a problem, too. As of January 2007, I can no longer ship roasted coffee in the mail. Let me clarify that. I can send it in limited quantities from Rivas (on a good day, 30 minutes away), but only if each batch has a US $10 agricultural inspection fee attached to it. It is both bureaucratically and cost prohibitive to have a mail order coffee business from Nicaragua.
I really have nothing that I can add to this thread. I just needed to vent.
Much worse than my experiences
I recently imported three used laptops using TransExpress. No problems. I sent myself a used Nokia N800 via DHL and DHL got to fight with customs. They thought it was a telephone. The honcho of DHL in Managua won that fight.
We imported a 2500 lb. generator from China this year with no problems other than aduanas wanted the serial number. I told them it didn't have one and they said if I was wrong they would fine me $100. It didn't.
Our most recent "disaster" is clearly the fault of our soon to be ex-customs agent. It was a big combined freight order. First, they tried to get us to translate the invoices. We explained that was their job. Finally, they send us a list of all the missing invoices. Well, they had them an lost them.
Finally, for exporting coffee, the most I sent at one time was about 10 lbs. total to four destinations. No problem but I did bring an extra 1 lb. bag to the post office to give to the clerks.
Customs
We bring in a lot of computer equipment and other peripherals through a company called Maranatha. The mother of one of the guys that works for me imports purses, wallets, purfumes ect. through this same company. The key I think is their "relationship" with the customs officials. They do a very good job of negotiating. They have been doing this for a while. They will even deliver the stuff to our office in Managua at no extra charge. It can take up to three weeks as they ship only full containers and you have to wait unil they have a full one.
Their tele # in the US (Miami) is 305-551-2712 and their number in Nic 858-3840. If you need additional info please feel free to contact me through nicaliving email.
Customs
Typical BS with theses clowns. Last year we brought a TV for my Nica Mother in Law and since I ( the gringo ) was carrying it they tried to get me to pay $100 to bring it into the country. As soon as my brother in law and wife came over ( Nicas ) and called them on there BS they let me bring it in for $0. Keep both eyes open and have a NICA close by.
Tim
Madness, yes
I have never had a problem with TransExpress and this BS but it doesn't surprise me. Customs seems to have gone crazy recently.
I had my "must get permission from TELCOR on something they don't give permission" adventure. Now we have a consolidated freight disaster and I am not sure how much is aduanas and how much is our costoms agent.
But, 2 years ago (when I didn't have residency) I faxed a copy of my passport (and nothing else) to TransExpress, they did the magic (including, I think, a TELCOR clearance) and all seemed to work out fine. The person I have been working with at TransExpress recently is Gabriela Paniagua . Virtually all my dealings have been in email (Spanish) and things have happened fine. But, I do have residency now.