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Daniel Ortega Dictatorship ProtestSubmitted by thunderdial on 8 July, 2008 - 14:03.
General: July 11th, 2008 will be a day recorded in history, the subject of future folk songs! We will gather at the Caretera Masaya Rotunda at 3:00 PM (4:00 PM Washington D.C. time). There will be a band and several public speakers as we rally until 6:00 PM. At the close of the rally, we will proceed to march to President Ortega's house, where a peaceful/respectful prayer and protest will take place. Bring your concerns, passion, and plenty of sunblock and become a part of history! Activists/Organizers: There are several other activities that will take place at this time in other parts of Managua and other cities. We are currently looking for volunteers, funding and donated materials. Please contact me at thunderdial@gmail.com for details! ( categories: )
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The flight was excellent.
The flight was excellent. Hey guys, stop harassing Lic. Claudia Paniagua - that number was for FAP. She's a nice lady who has made a lot of contributions and donates her time. Sorry I can't go back and delete the post, should have PMd it to him. But let's be nice and stop calling her, ok?
I did an interview with Canal 2 tonight, and they tell me it will air tomorrow or Friday. They showed me the version that will air, and boy did they cut a lot of stuff out. Stuff about the police harassment of MRS members, the government "clinic" off of C. Norte by the airport where atrocities are taking place, and Daniel's body-double. It makes me think Daniel is controlling the media. But it's nice that they will show something at all.
I'm gonna get some sleep, but I will send you updates as I get them.
"It makes me think Daniel is controlling the media"
I hate to tell you, but he is, now you know for a fact.
Sorry but im confused!
Im sorry "thunderdial" but i dont recal saying anything negative to you at all on this site, as for fyl and migs i just dont have any respect for people who idolize communism that's all, im sorry but i just dont and if i have disrespected or offended any jewish person here i apologize im not a racist nor do i hate anyone, it wasn't my intention.
Sorry man, you responded to
Sorry man, you responded to me and called Alex a fraud - I read it a little differently - speed reading lately with all that there is to absorb!
You forgot...
Peacenik, pinko, Ortega's (and the revolution's) bastard love child... so on, and so forth... LOL... any others?
;-)
Do you even know what communism is? I don't consider myself communist. I simply want what is best for Nicaragua. We all do. On the other hand, I have very strong feelings about safeguarding Nicaragua's sovereignty from foreign interference, whether it is from the U.S. government, Colombia, Costa Rica, or anyone who is out to take advantage of the precarious situation our country is in--including our politicians. With that said, I am not xenophobic, but the Nicaraguan people come first.
As for my comment to Thunderdial, I don't think the right conditions for a coup are in place. If you took my comment to him that seriously, well, then... next time try a little harder because I have no respect for ignorance. Call me communist all you want. I won't be offended; coming from you.
All this crazy coup talk,
All this crazy coup talk, you people are really wound up, aren't you? It's just a simple protest, just like the last one, and the one before that, and the...
I'm not that paranoid.
FWIW, I'm not a member of any political party.
Excellent.
Excellent.
OH GOD Give It Up!!!
migs and fyl you guys are fucking hilarious, "LMAO" come'on guys really now, grow up already and stop going to alex jones website he's a fraud paid by JEWS!
Um, this type of talk is not
Um, this type of talk is not necessary, and I think you owe Fl and Miguel an apology. Being paid by jews doesn't have anything to do with our outpouring of passion on Friday. As for being a fraud, like me or not, my reputation on this site is one of honesty and integrity. You sir, we barely know you - but we'd like to meet you at the vigil tomorrow night or the catalyst of change on Friday. We hope you can make it.
I gotta a plane to catch - but I will be back online later tonight when I get settled, settled being a relative term with all the upcoming activities this week!
Thanx
So thunderdial, you are now
So thunderdial, you are now friend of the Sandinista? You help organize for the MRS? From reading the posts, you seem conservative, like Reagan, then you turn the other way? Forgive me for asking all these questions, but when you make the loyalty change, it very suspicions.
I think...
Reagan was a terrorist pig. Un cerdo terrorista.
He may have been
but to keep all foreign influence out of Nicaragua is neither prudent nor realistic, imo. Nicaragua needs the help and guidance. They can't seem to figure it out on their own. I understand your position and the Sandinista philosphy, but that is what today's geopolitical game is all about, participation, not isolation. To be separatist is not going to serve Nicaragua's best interest, imo.
Thanks for your comment.
We find comfort among those who agree with us, growth among those who don't.
-Frank A. Clark, writer
I am a friend of the people.
I am a friend of the people. You are right - personally, my politics are conservative. Ronald Reagan was in the business of tearing down walls. We have a lot in common with the Nicaraguan people. Sometimes we let our hearts get the better of us, and we do and say things we do not intend. The people have been hoodwinked by the tyrant, and now isn't the time to bicker about parties - we're, I'm here to support you. What's important now is that we give that support one another for a common cause and goal - for the wall you tear down Friday will have a scoundrel behind it.
BTW, nice handle
too bad ol Ronnie ain't still around
he could help get rid of that stupid wall we are building on the Mexican border that is costing so many billions
That wall has many ingress
That wall has many ingress and egress points, where people can enter and leave the US via legal routes, using legal means to do so. There is no militarized DMZ, no cannons. The intent of the wall is the protection of people, on both sides;
1. The people of the US demand that we use border controls and have a good immigration department in place to stop terrorist from entering the country.
2. The law requires that we stop the flow of harmful narcotics into the US, a measure to protect the weak and our children.
3. Thousands (that we know of) die each year crossing the border illegally - holes in the border do not kill people, the harsh southwest desert kills people - we owe it to them to keep them out of harm's way, to obtain residence/citizenship through lawful means.
Do I think it is hypocritical that we allow Cubans residency if they can touch the shore? Yes. I also believe that there should be a Canadian wall, and a portion of that wall's cost should come from additional taxes on Canadian exports.
Oh
re: The law requires that we stop the flow of harmful narcotics into the US, a measure to protect the weak and our children.
http://www.powderburns.org/
Good Search
The CIA and illegal drugs.
An accountant for the Medellin drug cartel explains how he was asked by the CIA to provide funding to the Nicaraguan Contra rebels. (5:02) RM format, watch at 3:22:
http://media.pbs.org/ramgen/wgbh/pages/frontline/1902/gunsdrugscia.rm
SUBCOMMITTEE HEARINGS
John Kerry: You've been a supporter living in the Cuban community, passionately anti-communist and anti-Castro. You've also been a supporter of the Contras. Is that accurate?
Ramon Milian Rodriguez: Yes sir.
John Kerry: Are you aware whether or not narcotics proceeds at some time may or may not have supported Contra efforts?
Milian Rodriguez: Yes sir. Narcotics proceeds were used to shore up the Contra effort.
John Kerry: Did you personally play a role in some of the transfer of that money?
Milian Rodriguez: Yes I did.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/gunsdrugscia...
Man, enough with the CIA
Man, enough with the CIA stuff already. I think you really are trying to stir up crap, despite your fervent denials. I think are are more paranoid than you're willing to admit.
That sounds
more like your job, not mine. Could you at least educate me on the reasons why I should be more agreeable with your position, and I don't mean the usual "Ortega is a dictator" vitriol.
I don't have a job in
I don't have a job in regards to Nicaragua. I don't have a requirement for you adhere to my beliefs. If you are used to being told what to believe, maybe the tyrant is right for you after all.
Another Alex Jones lemming.
Another Alex Jones lemming. Next...
Ok, I'll contribute
Singapore and Taiwan would
Singapore and Taiwan would beg to differ.
in Singapore you go to jail for chewing gum..
or spitting on a sidewalk... No thanks!!
-Doug ©
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
would that be the wall..
that the contractor hired the illegal immigrants to build ?
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/15/america/NA_GEN_US_Immigration_...
The cost ? who cares it's just fiat money, we print it by the ton now.
:)
-Doug ©
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
hey TD
PM me so we can hook up,after the Esteli rally, so I can provide a factory tour to everyone that comes from out of town,smoke some cigars and chit chat for a while also let me know what else I can contribute to this worthy cause.
FAP
Claudia Paniagua at 2671070
Claudia Paniagua at 2671070 can get you on the pamphlets.
I arrive in Managua tonight,
I arrive in Managua tonight, but I will not be at the Esteli town hall. If you come to Managua during this week, let me know, and I will make sure you are received in the appropriate esteem.
You've done more than your fair share - if you would like us to mention your factory on the pamphlets, let me know soon, as 60% of them have not been printed yet and there is time to catch them before they go off to press. There's no room on the leaflets, we have to keep them small in consideration of weight and balance. If you want to chip in, we can get the other side printed no problem.
Thanx
Wow, what a response. Ok, a
Wow, what a response. Ok, a couple of things - please keep the emails coming - they are a constant source of support for myself and the staff. The few that are threatening are entertaining, but it is beginning to get weary - grow up fellas.
Sorry, we cannot accept US dollar donations, or Western Union transactions originating from the United States. We now have the leaflets and pamphlets we needed, thanks to Gomez Printing in Masaya. We still need picnic tables (6 to 8) and new, unregistered prepaid cell phones (about 12) - only need about an hour worth of time per phone - we only need them for a short window, and then we're going to throw them away.
Thanx
Clarification
Team,
We were looking for large folding tables, like the ones you would buy at Sams or Walmart, not the table/seat combination that are typically called picnic tables. Sorry for the confusion, but we now have the tables we need, so no worries!
Thanx
Aniversary celebration?
Is this to celebrate the 20th aniversary of the first time a Sandinista government used tear gas on a opposition rally? It's just all too strange with the same president in Nicaragua, the same president in Costa Rica and the son of the guy running policy related to Central America for the Whitehouse in 1988 as president in the U.S.
Again, we're the PEOPLE, not
Again, we're the PEOPLE, not the GOVERNMENT. if there is any violence involving tear gas, I assure you it will be by the hand of the tyrannical government, NOT the people. It's just a simple get-together. You folks sure do have wild imaginations.
Thanx
May I ask
who is organizing this?
No, you may not. but I will
No, you may not. but I will tell you that it is the will of the people. It will be great, I hope you'll be there!
Your
check from the CIA is in the mail. What's next a coup d'état?
You folks are really going
You folks are really going overboard! Really, it's just a get together of like-minded people, to let the tyrant know that "hey man, we're a little disappointed in how things have been going lately" and that we're getting mildly concerned about how he's moving forward, that all.
Thanx
I am going to heed the advice of this post:
http://www.nicaliving.com/node/12528#comment-71347
I am not sure if this thread is to be taken serious our not
No names of organizers.
Untraceable Cell Phones.
US ex military soliciting support for this event.
Prayers AND a march to the presidents residence.
This sounds more like a Monty Python sketch about CIA involvement in Nicaragua to me.
I think will305 is taking the right approach on this one.
Maybe he and I could organize an afternoon of betting (At a location agreeable to all. After all this is all about the will of the people!). Subject being: How many will show up and how many will be arrested when they get near the presidents residence. The winner could walk away with a bottle of FDC. (Not to be consumed at any protest.)
Nicaraguan politics are for Nicaraguans. Why get involved in a family squabble while being a visitor to the familiy home?
Mr. Berger, we've met - you
Mr. Berger, we've met - you know I am not CIA, how could you say such a thing? Please don't scare El Pueblo.
I didn't say untraceable, I said unregistered. And the reason we're throwing them away is because the folks who are getting them won't be able to afford to keep them.
What has gone so wrong in Nicaragua that the people cannot peaceably assemble? Why are some folks scared to speak out against a brutal tyrant, especially the expat community? You guys are making it out to be worse than it is, and that's the purpose of the protest, to relieve the country of the fear.
You do not have to live in silence, to suffer alone.
The mystery deepens
You see, a lot of people, both expats and locals know me here and in Managua. I am always seem to be at the disadvantage: One, I have a terrible memory for names and faces. Two, I meet so many people both in business, on the political front and in my private life that it is virtually impossible to remember them all. So if I can't remember meeting you it is due to my bad memory and the likely fact that when we met you did not let me know that you are the thunderdial on this board.
You are right in correcting me on the terminology I used. You did say unregistered. My mind was on one it's uncontrollable tracks that found the whole scenario extremely funny. It really does remind me of Monty Python. But that is probably more due to my strange sense of humor than anything you are doing and what is going on in Managua.
As you may know, I am a strong advocate of the "Nicaraguan politics are for Nicaraguans" camp. However, anyone that feels strongly enough to get involved should not hesitate and do so. I remember reading somewhere that you are of Nicaraguan background. Therefore you have every reason and in fact a duty to get involved if you feel that the situation here is getting out of hand.
As you probably know I feel very passionate about Nicaragua and like you I am working to improve the lot of Nicaraguans here. I go about it in a way where I feel I can be most effective given my circumstances. I think if we all do our share we will succeed to make Nicaragua all it can be.
PS Re the CIA comment. You probably know that I love stirring the pot...:-)
Thank God, thanks for
Thank God, thanks for clearing that up - it's really important that we are not associated with the CIA! You claimed to know a lot about me, but all of a sudden, you can't remember me. I popped in on you unannounced last summer. We talked in your office briefly, and you gave me some valuable directions and contact names. We were supposed to get back together, but an unplanned event brought me back to Leon prematurely. Are they starting to get to you? Nobody should live in fear, and that's in the heart of what this protest is about. Yes, I am of a Nicaraguan background, very Nicaraguan - thank you for clearing that up. But how can you meet many people on the "political front" and maintain your "Nicaraguan politics are for Nicaraguans" stand? It's a shame, we would have really liked for you to attend.
I guess my mind is going to mush :-)
But honestly, I still draw a blank when trying to remember our meeting. Since we never had our second get together let's try to meet some time soon.
Not to worry about me living in fear. I tend to be afraid of very few things or people. (My wife is the exception of course :-)).
The reason I meet may people involved in politics is strictly because of business. The folks I meet are from all political parties and are not limited to Sandinistas or Danielistas for that matter. Since I am not personally involved in Nicaraguan politics it is easy for me to maintain a certain perspective as to the progress, or lack thereof, on the political front and maintain a certain amount of neutrality.
By the way, I do apologize for the CIA comment. In hindsight it was a silly thing to say and was never meant seriously. I am sure the rest of the “pueblo” will do what they always do and not have taken me seriously.
FWIW
I think my comment about the tear gas celebration was the post in this thread that came closest to being serious. And while it is factually correct, it wasn't intended to be serious.
There is, however, I believe a real rally on Sunday.
What makes you think there
What makes you think there will not be a real rally on Friday? If it's successful, there won't be a need for a rally on Sunday.
Oh, he's an alarmist - don't
Oh, he's an alarmist - don't listen to him. Getting involved is the only way to effect change! There will be music, speakers, and a good time had for everyone!
lol
you have not mentioned girls,machetes and FDC yet dude :-O
FAP