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They Say I Hate It HereSubmitted by fyl on 8 July, 2008 - 07:10.
Once again, a NL member said that I hate it here in Nicaragua. This seems to be a common theme. Sometimes, but not always, it seems to be inspired by me complaining about something the U.S. government did or is doing. Other times it is just because I describe a problem I am having here. Now, my opinion is that I do not hate it here nor did I hate it in the U.S. or in Costa Rica. I don't know if Nicaragua is the best place for me to live on the planet (for many years, Bolivia has had a lot of appeal but I have no first-hand knowledge) but I do know it is the best place for me I have ever lived. That said, to help others decide if they want to live here and to help them deal if they do live here, I try to do the following:
Now, let's contrast what I did in the U.S. vs. what I am trying to do here. I think this will help put many of my complaints into perspective. I can start off by saying that I would never have attempted to do what I am doing here in the U.S. because I could have never afforded it—financially or time-wise. In the early 1980s, I started a publishing company in the U.S. It was started with little capital and required no more than a business license and tax permit. As it grew, it required more "accounting overhead" to deal with employees, employee benefits, ... It also established a line of credit and quite a few vendor relationships. Over the next 20 years it grew into a fair-sized business but never one that had significant interaction with government. Two government interactions that do come to mind are:
Now, what am I trying to do here? The "executive summary" is build a resort in a national reserve. This includes building a 2+ kilometer road, running in electricity, drilling wells, attempting to get permission to produce products that are produced nowhere else in Nicaragua, ... I wouldn't have attempted to do all this anywhere in the U.S. much less in the equivalent—a national forest. If my goal was retirement, I could have moved here, rented a place for a few hundred a month with no rental agreements, credit checks, first and last deposits, ... My residency (which was complicated by the fact that I had lived in Costa Rica for, as it turns out, only two years) could have been dealt with by a lawyer that specialized in residency. Or, if I had a pension, easily done through INTUR. In other words, what I have been doing here has been seriously complicated by my choices to do more than sit around and, to borrow an expression from the late Miskito Alan, "watch the zinc rust". So, what do I hate here? Inefficiency. Banks that don't understand service. The dirty air of Estelí. Noise from the neighbors. Much of this gets fixed by, for example, moving to the country. Recognizing that banking on-line takes less time. Getting to pick my neighbors. Would I trade this for having to take my shoes off to get on an airplane, government spying and knowing that most of my tax money went for killing people around the world and enriching corporations such as Boeing and Haliburton in the process? No, not a chance. Amazing as it may sound, I look forward to the day that our business is open and is contributing to the Nicaraguan tax base. For those who read here and conclude that Nicaragua is too "wild west" for them, I will suggest Costa Rica. It feels like it is trying to be the U.S. with better prices and no government overhead to support Haliburton, et al. For me, this "trying to be" syndrome is exactly what I didn't like about Costa Rica but, if that is ok with you, it is a pretty easy place to adjust to.
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Why the response?
I am not sure why you posted this fyl. Why are you so concerned about what people think of you or why or why not you like, or should I say love, living in Nicaragua?
I see that from most of you last few posting you have made you mentioned that you have lived in Nicaragua for the past 5 years and Costa Rica for 2 years before that. So? Does it validate something? I have lived, summered or traveled in and to to Nicaragua for the last 25 years so does that make my experience better than yours? of course not.
I know Nicas who have lived there 80 years and I would not take their advise on anything other than the weather.
You are who you are, and your experiences are yours and yours only, no one can take that way from you. If some questions your motives I don’t feel you need to respond as such.
Continue to provide the valuable information that you do, but I do not think you need to validate it with your time spent in Central America.
Now it would be nice to clarify something, you said:
“Now, what am I trying to do here? The "executive summary" is build a resort in a national reserve. This includes building a 2+ kilometer road, running in electricity, drilling wells, attempting to get permission to produce products that are produced nowhere else in Nicaragua, ... I wouldn't have attempted to do all this anywhere in the U.S. much less in the equivalent—a national forest.”
Phil, in reality you would not be able “attempt” this at all in the states – It’s a National Forest for Gods sake! Why would anyone want to build a 2+ kilometer roads, run in electricity and drill wells in a National Forest?
I understand that you are creating an environment conducive to your wants and need and hopefully that of other like minded people but again you seem to be trying to validate yourself to individual, who for the life of me, I fail to understand why.
Why?
I am not trying to validate my presence, I am trying to show that one can come here, live happily and even do something useful for the country. To balance, if you will, the anti-Nicaragua content with what one person sees and can do.
Now, as for the Tisey issue, let's just say it should be a national forest. The reserve as created in, I believe, 1992. People live there—lots of them. People grow crops such as cabbage and potatoes. While the management plan written by FIDER talks about what is desired, the reality is that the idea of protection is new.
Why build there? A number of reasons.
In the U.S., government management would be the way these issues are dealt with. In Nicaragua, there isn't that sort of money available. FIDER, which is an NGO, has the responsibility for management of the reserve. In the Tisey section only two people are there to do that management.
This is actually a good example of how public money is used in the U.S. to do something for a small population segment but, in Nicaragua, no such money is available. Thus, you see many private organizations and businesses involved.
I am not going to try to justify what we are doing—I believe anyone who sees what we are doing will understand. But, I will say that if I just wanted a place to live, I would have bought a quad (we are repairing an existing road but you could get in there on a quad year round), built my house powered by solar and wind and been done with it. In fact, my current plan is to not have a grid connection from my house anyway.
There is a lot more to this but, you are right, I don't need to justify it here. Follow the story on the web site and stop by when we are open.
Wrong again
Do you specifically make stuff up or just run at the mouth without knowing what you are spaking about?
This is a good example of you defending what you do by making up some negative comparison to....you guessed it, the USA.
In the US, National Forests have a lot of private and commercial development,,,..including many places like what you want yours to be. This includes private cabins on long term leases fro the Forest Service which gererate in excess of 10 million dollars a year in income to the Service. There are conference centers and nature education program schools, grazing rights leased and more. all generate income...I am not sure if the income exceeds to outlay, but does help to offset the cost of maintaining these special places as public. So the USA system is not so screwed up after all. No, you will come back with 27 more reasons why it is not. but those who read will now know what you say is based on BS you make up as you go along. as i have said before...brains in an empty head are a shame.
BTW...I do not agree with those who think you (or anyone else) should stay out of this type of place....so this is not about that. Having vast areas of land with little or no access makes little sense. in the USA we have "wilderness areas" for that. They are OK, but very limited use as they are wild and not many people use them...so they serve another purpose...i bet they exist in NICA too.
You may not hate it here and there, but you sure sound like you do! And in this life perception is reality. in any case, I apologize for assuming you hate it...OK you just sound like that.
ATZ
Only one
Yes, the U.S. Forest Service does lease land. It also sells trees and the Bush administration has, again, told it to sell more.
But, my point was that Nicaragua doesn't have the money the U.S. government has to put into National Forests. Check out the Forest Service Budget Proposal. While $10 million in income is nice, the budget number for FY 2009 is $4,109 million.
10 million
is only from cabin land rentals. Sells water rights and grazing rights too. Remember this is not National parks or wilderness areas Not all of that is bad....as you are doing in NICA, multi use of land is good elsewhere too. Oh, I forgot...you are special! You, and only you have the right answer and can do what you bitch to others about. ATZ
In his heart of hearts
He knows that he does not practice what he demands of others. That is why he is seeking validation here. The truth is that Fydel the conservationist is building his private resort in a Nicaraguan National Park. Legally, there is no real difference in what he is doing than the expat beachfront bar owners in San Juan Del Sur. He is using a government concession on a public natural resource for profit. The reality is so contradictory from the posturing and discourse that it's laughable.
General observation
Lately it seems to have become the general pastime of some posters to "beat up" on FYL. Let us not forget that he is the one providing us with this particular forum. He is the one that spends countless hours maintaining the site. He is the one paying for the bandwidth and the server time.
Most importantly, FYL is the one that started this website. During the time that I am a member here, I have not noticed a drastic change in FYL's viewpoints, political opinions and the direction he is taking this site.
To the best of my knowledge the goal of this site is to provide useful information to persons interested in Nicaragua.
In the past the site was pretty well on target doing just that. That was until a few posters here tried to divert the site onto a different track; a track that seems more dedicated to turn this site into a political forum and less of an informational site.
Some of you will say that FYL is also using this site to promote his political views and beliefs. Since he pays for this site and he has Administrator privileges he has, in my opinion, every right to do so.
Let's face it, anyone of the posters that is dissatisfied with the political orientation of Nicaragua Living has the option to post on a site that better suits their ideals. Or even better, they can start their own site and then be the administrator. Let's see how they like the many hours, the research and the expense. My guess is they would not last very long.
What I find most curious is that the most vocal opponents and critics of FYL and anyone else that is doing something positive in or for Nicaragua seem to be persons living in other countries.
Many of the critics have not spent more than a few weeks (some even less), in Nicaragua. They have no idea what it means to move to a country and build a business from scratch. Many of the comments I have read reek from envy and jealousy.
Would it not be nice if we could return to civil discussions that will prove useful to the many visiting the site in order to obtain information useful to them? I for one do not think that someone looking for information about a particular area of Nicaragua gives a hoot about the political opinions of FYL or anyone else on this site.
I am by no means saying we should not have useful spirited discussions. It would be nice if they were focused on facts and information that can be proven. There are enough sites that disseminate misinformation. Nicaragua Living should not be one of them.
Does FYL really hate it here in Nicaragua? I don’t think so. Like may of us he is simply “Doing his thing”, and is doing it well.
Sorry to disagree
The owner of Nica Living has a political and social agenda that he promotes on his site. He has evey right to do so, but if one wants to push an agenda in a public forum dont be surprised or offended when those who disagree push back. On more than one occasion he has misstated facts that are important to those who live in Nicaragua and he uses dubious sources to interpret information in a light most favorable to the ALBA Four and their presidents. One of the areas of misinformation is the constant criticism of the United States in virtually every post he writes. He omits to disclose that the U.S. is the largest trading partner with Nicaragua and in many ways is a postive force for change in this country. If he does not like that fact then so be it, but many persons who actually do business here can testify as to how the flow of investment has slowed since the public campaign of attacks on the US and its investors in Nicaragua by the so called "revolutonary government" was cranked up after the last election. Another example of the agenda is the silence about anything positive the United States or its citizens are doing in Nicaragua. The best example is the Millenium Challenge Fund that is repairing and building roads that are critical to the Nicaraguan infrastructure. The Millenium Challenge is also rebuilding the entire property registraton system in Leon, up to and including constructing a new building to house the system. For anyone who has ever tried to register a piece of property in Nicaragua this is a long awaited breath of relief. Any mention of Millenium Chalenge good works? No sir, lots about Iraq,Iran,Bush, Cheney and the oil companies, but not a peep about the roads, the agrodevelopment, the reforestation or the property registaton projects that are being done as I write this comment. I wonder how much your real estate busines would improve if the clerks in Rivas did not copy the escrituras by hand like medieval scibes? Imagine, a system wherein the original documents were digitized and certified copies were made available for inspection by anyone at anytime. Much of he baloney in Tola and elswhere would have been avoided if that system were in place.
In short, if you want to give him a pass then so be it. However, do not deny the right to criticize to those who disagree with him.
I don't think I ever said
that everyone has to subscribe to FYL's line of thinking or his politics.
I also feel that the USA should pay the debt owed to Nicaragua and not pretend to be the "great benefactor". They are certainly not that.
As for the slowing of investment, don’t you think the world economy and the high oil prices are playing a role in that. Or maybe the fact that just today another bank collapsed in the USA?
I am certain that Daniel Ortega had nothing to do with any of those facts.
In my opinion, I rather deal with Daniel than some of the "Honest politicians" north of the Mexican border.
In any case, the point of my post was the following:
Maybe we could have a separate forum for political discussions and keep the rest for information. This way everyone could have their cake and eat it too.
a great opportunity for you...
provide the 'positive' USA balance of information,
ankle bitting doesn't seem to be working too well
-Doug ©
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
I like it fine the way it is on NL.
give me good honest corruption over legalized robbery any day. Guys on the bottom of the totem pole work best.
What He Said !
My sediments exactly !