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The Pacto vs. The Anti-PactoSubmitted by fyl on 25 June, 2008 - 06:26.
During the 2006 campaign season, the MRS was the only positive player. They presented what they wanted to do and why while every other party talked about what was wrong with the opposition. Today, the MRS is on the offensive. While their major criticism is of the Ortega government and they suggest that what we have is a Danielismo dictatorship rather than something really Representative of Sandinismo (an opinion shared by many, by the way) they are very much anti-pacto. In the process, they are sticking up for the other political parties as well. This is not a surprise as it adds credibility to their stance but it is an interesting new dynamic being created. Nicaragua has been all about Sandinista vs. anti-Sandinista for a very long time. In the 1970s, they became the only viable way to get rid of Somoza. People from many political stripes supported an "anything but Somoza" approach to effect change. In 1979, the Sandinista victory was really one of "we got our government back". (I have suggested many times that if the U.S. had not exerted strong anti-FSLN pressure, you would have seen the FSLN break up into some decently representative parties.) Using that same "anything but ..." approach, the U.S. created UNO for the 1990 election. What held UNO together was an anything but FSLN feeling and U.S. money. The choice of an ex-member of the FSLN directorate as presidential candidate was also brilliant. But, UNO was a one-campaign entity that accomplished its goals. The 2006 election seemed (ignoring El Pacto for the moment) to be a reasonable exercise in democracy. The major parties were the "old Sandinista" party, the "new Sandinista" party, the "old PLC" party and the "new PLC" party. Unlike in many countries where "third parties" have little influence, the actions of any of the four parties could have changed the winner. Unfortunately, when you plug in El Pacto, it really became two new parties (both of which actually seemed to represent the people, all be it different segments of the people) vs. El Pacto. Fast forwarding to today and upcoming municipal elections, we now see two important things happening:
This anti-pacto effort has now stepped up to the international level. As the MRS is not going to get its legal status restored by a judiciary controlled by El Pacto, this international appeal seems necessary. So, the question is how will this play out? With only a little over four months before the elections, what will get accomplished? And, in the long run, what will happen here? ( categories: )
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Woman's Movement in Opposition
In the article, Sofía Montenegro of the Nicaraguan Autonomous Women’s Movement, says:
She very much points the picture that Ortega is "the boss" and Aleman is victim to his politics. That is a different read than El Pacto but with the same result. The fact, however, that all the political parties except the MRS voted for the all-out ban is true. The "reward" for the MRS' honesty was dropping in the polls right after the vote.
Thus, while women's rights groups may be for eliminating the ban, it is not clear there is really any political capital to be gained by turning this into an El Pacto/Anti-Pacto issue.
I'm disappointed
Most of the discussion has been about Ortega. That seems about as useful as responding to the issue of the "Bush empire" by talking about him rather than if Congress will decide to have Karl Rove arrested, go forward with the articles of impeachment, ...
Granted, a lot of people see Ortega as "the problem" but that seems like a very narrow focus. First, without El Pacto, Ortega would not have controlling power over the Assembly. If the Assembly forced the accountability issue, we would see where oil profits (as an example) are going.
If any party (and that includes the FSLN and the PLC) decided to stop facilitating Ortega (the same as the Democrats continue to facilitate Bush), accountability could actually happen. This is what the MRS is calling for. One other big player and it will happen.
Then, another level removed is the citizenry itself. If they moved from "we want cheaper transport" or whatever to "we want government accountability", things could quickly change.
That was the sort of analysis I was looking for in the post. Things such as cracks in El Pacto, cracks within the PLC and/or FSLN, ... And, we must not forget international pressure.
All that said, this is not intended to be an anti-Ortega (or pro-Ortega) post. I would not like to have Ortega's job (or the job of leader of any country right now) in this time of rising energy prices. Suggesting that inflation is Ortega's fault is not realistic. It is just a "what can an unhappy population do" question.
this was the thoughtful response we were hoping for....
...think you nail it here.
My point is that that is your opinion
and not completely accurate. I was very involved in the PLC campaign and they had a very positive approach, in MY opinion. My point is you cannot generalize like that, it is not an accurate reflection of the campaign.
You say the MRS was the only positive player...
That is not a very unbiased opinion
Facts?
First, I am talking about "of the four" at that time. And there were certainly more negative players but, maybe some "1%" party was also positive.
Can you offer us either some examples of negative campaigning during the 2006 election season on the part of the MRS or positive campaigning during that time by other parties?
sort of an 'evergreen' topic . . .
here's a similar thread from 2005 back when Herty (and Miskito Alan) were alive.
...I miss them both-RIP.
the point back then was that if the anti-pacto groups actually were to gain control of the government, would that change the larger "pacto" which is about the role the U.S. plays in the country?
or, would the anti-pacto parties continue Ortega's attempts to ally itself with the only other competitor in the "hearts and minds" (and oil and power plants) campaign? This other entity is of course Tio Hugo (Chavez)
at this time, with the MRS and tiny Conservative Party both outlawed, beating the pacto appears to be nae impossible so those conversations are moot.
it might come down just waiting Ortega out and hoping for something better next time . . . sort of what the U.S. is doing with el arbusto, no?
Doors of hope fly open when doors of promise shut. -Thomas D'Arcy McGee
what do you think, fyl?
Where do you think things are headed?
Come on fyi
I have been waiting for the further opinion...thought by now you would have heeded serenityweb's call to expand. . What is going to happen? You are probably most qualified to take an educated guess as anyone on here and it is germane to "coming here" Wow is it ever. I won't hold you to it. Seriously want to hear it.ATZ
Not sure
As you know, I am not shy about putting out my opinion. But, on this one, I really don't have anything that points me in a particular direction. I had hoped that assorted people with bits of knowledge might be able to offer up some clues and we could piece it together.
El Pacto
The following institutions have been staffed with the Pacto's cronnies:
The Supreme Court.
The Supreme Electoral Council.
The Court of Appeals.
The main avenues to protect citizen's rights have been tainted and/or closed to political dissent.
The CPC's, an unelected arm of the Executive power, was created despite the rejection by the majority of people.
The anti-pacto parties are calling the people to organize and take to the streets to show discontent.
Fyl, there's plenty of info. on this issue, and we could piece it together but we'd arrive to a different conclusion.
Al
This should get some comment
Maybe I am real thick and rely too much on logic...but let's at least start with it.
Ortega is 62...term runs out at 66.
He started a long time ago with a vision to free the country and make it better for the masses.
He got sidetracked...some ego and some who knows what. The human condition, I guess for all of us.
Country is in dire straights. He has got to see that. Has also got to see that he is losing support. He needs EU and other money as Chavez cannot pull him along alone. Also has got tosee tourisim as a boon to the country and gives him a chance to show it off.
He knows he will have an almost impossible time pulling the next political trick without violence and some type of coup. He has to be smart enough to know that???
Does he want to leave looking back and seeing alundone because of his ego?
If so, pity....butdoes anyone think he can possibly see the light?
ATZ
He is Impossible to Predict
On Saurday night President Ortega called the donative community "flies that stop on filth". Last night he gave the US Ambassador Paul Trivelli an alleged "imperialist tool" and "yankee imperialist interventionist" along with the US Secretary of Health and Human Services, a private ride in the presidential Mecedes Benz SUV to a local hospital, with Ortega acting as their driver! He also described the United States aid to Nicaragua in his speech last night as "unconditional" despite saying five days ago in a speech in Masaya that Nicaragua was not like Judas and would not be pressured and not "sell out to the imperialists" for aid money. This is not political theory, this is not conjecture, these are quotes from local newspapers and channel four in Managua, the government run TV station. He is either a madman, or the governmental leader least taken seriously in the Western Hemisphere.