Would you tell a friend to move to Nicaragua now?

Submitted by ATZ on 23 June, 2008 - 07:14.

This seems to me to be a valuable subject to get input on from the wide variety of members WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE ONLY. Seems to be in tune with the most important objective of the site....while political analysis and commentary from those who live someplace else is certainly valuable and should not be discounted, the "feel" from those right in the middle and with real lives at stake is quite another thing.

So, make some assumptions....these actually are from my real life question. I am in the process of moving. I have two friends who have become very interested in doing the same. Both are not prima donnas...traveled and one has lived in Asia for 6-7 years.....in a rural environment. They have been here enough to see the country and people. They are ready to do the deed and move. While a move back to the US is not impossible, it would be a real oain, to say the least and a real financial burden...neither has much money.

The political situation seems to be deteriorating. Is it or is it just a bit more than normal (or a function of the media coverage). Will it get better or worse? Will it affect expates? In short...assuming they are ready for the country, is the country ready for them...or will it be? A year ago, I said yes unequivocally...today not so sure.

So those of you with time here...chime in.

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Politics is always a pain,

Politics is always a pain, and most likely the electorate of Nicaragua will vote out Ortega next time and a mediocre government of the center right will milk the country for its fair share of the spoils.

The thing that would cause me to hestiate too tell a friend to move down here is that its just a hard place to get anything done, especially if you have to do anything with the government or the public utilites.

If your friend wants to sit on the beach, or a bar stool, or watch cable tv in a rental shed house, its fine, as long as he doesn´t mind the water and power going off all the time.

I´d advise a friend to shop around, see Nicaragua, Panama, CR, and Ecuador and make up their own mind.

I´d also advise a friend not to buy anything or make any long term commitments until he had his cedula wrapped up. Life is short, he could be vacationing in Chile.

Hmmm

Costa Rica - Boooorrrring!

Nicaragua - It's not for sissies!

O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.

I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)

Costa Rica -

Costa Rica - Boooorrrring!

Nicaragua - It's not for sissies!

That's what I've been trying to tell my wife, DT. Can you give her a call and explain it.

"You can beat, you can shoot me, you can stab me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me.? -Clint Eastwood, Heartbreak Ridge

Candid disclaimer:

To have been completely candid, I should have added a disclaimer that I haven't set foot yet in either Nicaragua or Costa Rica! [And I am still considering Ecuador or Peru] :)

O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.

I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)

doc, have your wife call my wife

she'll tell her what it's like here. My wife of 40 yrs loves it here.

Short answer: Yes

My only change would be that some people I know aren't prepared to deal with how "more volatile" countries govern. If I felt they were not prepared, I would not recommend Nicaragua for them. I might recommend Costa Rica but probably not.

When I was just in Costa Rica I saw "Arias = Dictador" painted on walls there. In fact, it was almost as popular as "No TLC". When I lived in Costa Rica I witnessed serious protest, for example, blocking highways into San José with burning tires to protest mandatory yearly vehicle testing (RTV).

In the U.S., political disagreement tends to be either marginalized (oh, that's just a group of crazies/blacks/Communists/...) or just plain ignored by major media. TV is filled with thinks to distract you from reality (the war in Iraq, sports, ...) and any political change in direction is very slow. In general, both parties know they are better off with the status quo.

Not so in Latin America. With no "exciting foreign wars" to cover and people more likely to go to a sports event than chanel surf to find one, the exciting news is traffic accidents, abused wives, crime and political fighting. (I remember when I was first in Costa Rica thinking there was 100 times more traffic accidents than in the U.S. Well, there are more but when you don't have any other things to talk about, they make good video footage.)

Am I happy with the current version of El Pacto? Certainly not. But, if I was in the U.S., I would be complaining about how one political party likes to blame the other but, in effect, they facilitate each other. The difference is that here people see what is going on and talk about it. In the U.S., you hear "this is the greatest democracy in the world" so many times that you accept it and go back to watching sports. In other words, you don't realize to have a democracy, you have to participate.

On the ground here, I see many questionable land titles getting resolved, the public registry being updated, roads being built or repaired, electrical generation and distribution being improved and, in general, steps toward fixing real issues.

The biggest problem I see here is poverty. That problem is exacerbated by rising energy costs. Because people were already poor, there is just less buffer for them when costs increase than someone in the U.S. In order to prevent serious rises in crime, action needs to be taken to keep people on the lower economic rungs from falling off the ladder. Free health care and education was clearly a start but the cost of necessities has risen enough to more than offset these benefits.

So, what about someone moving here from say the U.S. or Canada? I don't think the political game playing will have an effect. There is enough public participation that sanity will remain. But, as I stated above, the perception may be pretty scary for someone unfamiliar with a high level of direct involvement. The only threat I see is if theft increases, those that have more are the most likely to be the victim. Those that move here from the first world are more likely to be those that have more.

FYL's problem with poverty

I would argue that deprive a man of his milpa and you have deprived him of his life. A person can live on very little energy use but not if he he is deprived of his land.

Thanks

for the short direct answer. The other stuff is useful too!ATZ

Move to Nica Now?

I would advise against it.

Al

so would I

I have seen this type of crap happened in the early 80s,I though Ortega had change,and learned from past mistakes,he has changed alright but for the worse. The words Imperialist/El Imperio Yankee,were words he used a lot back in the 80s,one would think he would stop now that he has become President of 38% of us Nicaraguans, but hell nooo, I just heard him this past Saturday,while inagurating a power plant in Masaya,calling the USA Imperialist Yankees. Nicaraguans are people that when they dont like something,they WILL take actions, and right now,even the ex-contras are extreme pissed at mr 38% for promesing a whole bunch of stuff once he got elected,and he has not delivered yet. Same could be said by the over 20% of the youths that were wanting a change and took a chance and voted for him,problem is that those same youth,were not even born when Ortega was in power in the early 80s,thus,they NEVER experienced tha harship of those day,and I darn well now,Phil WILL point to the USA,Contra aid and embargo crap,but.. nonetheless Ortega was to blame for taking on Communist ideals,which were never the True SANDINO ideals. This is my .5 centavos,take them for what they are worth.

FAP

Bottom line is what

Move here....

Will all this political turmoil affect US citizens who move down here in a way directly caused by that...not rhe general maliase of the country?

ATZ

Political Turmoil

The impending civil upheaval will not distinguish gringos and USAnos from Nica nationals.

It would be an equal opportunity Political Turmoil... It will affect us all.

Al

thanks Fisherman

I like your sentiments