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US ranks 37th in health care , behind Dominica and Costa Rica at 35th and 36th, just before Slovenia and Cuba at 38th and 39th.Submitted by LillyC on 18 June, 2008 - 17:05.
Mexico is 61st, Nicaragua 71st, Argentina 75th, Guatemala 78th, Bahamas 94, Panama 95 And the US is 24th in longevity and 26th in infant mortality. For the whole list: http://49th-parallel.blogspot.com/2007/09/world-health-organizations-ran... WHO rankings: Rank Country 1 France 2 Italy 3 San Marino 4 Andorra 5 Malta 6 Singapore 7 Spain 8 Oman 9 Austria 10 Japan 11 Norway 12 Portugal 13 Monaco 14 Greece 15 Iceland 16 Luxembourg 17 Netherlands 18 United Kingdom 19 Ireland 20 Switzerland 21 Belgium 22 Colombia 23 Sweden 24 Cyprus 25 Germany 26 Saudi Arabia 27 United Arab Emirates 28 Israel 29 Morocco 30 Canada 31 Finland 32 Australia 33 Chile 34 Denmark 35 Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America 38 Slovenia 39 Cuba 40 Brunei 41 New Zealand 42 Bahrain 43 Croatia 44 Qatar 45 Kuwait 46 Barbados 47 Thailand 48 Czech Republic 49 Malaysia 50 Poland === 1.The US has the most expensive healthcare system in the world. It is almost twice as expensive as every other developed nation. This is largely due to administrative costs which account for 19-25% of healthcare costs, and up to 34% at for-profit hospitals. 2.Other than South Africa, America is the only developed country in the world that does not provide healthcare for all of its citizens. 3.Yet, the US ranks 26th in infant mortality and 24th in the number of healthy years a person can expect to live - putting America’s healthcare system in the company of Cuba and Slovenia rather than Canada and Western European nations. 4.And, despite ludicrous right-wing anecdotal claims of high dissatisfaction among those who live in countries with universal healthcare, the reality is that, with the exception of Italy, Americans are more dissatisfied with their healthcare than are the citizens of every other developed nation, including England, France, Germany, and Canada. Moreover, US doctors spend less time with patients that do doctors in other nations.
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The Yanks are crazy
Trying to be an empire and promote democracy at the same time. when it suits them. Hopefully a black president will clean up all the absolute nonsense regarding taking care of the health of Americans. Duh! That's an american expression. I am from Scotland and I wish everyone could read the book "How the Scots Invented the Modern World" When I read posts..too many posts from Americans..I keep wishing we would get a few more different nationality's on here..I wish it was more about single malt than sour grapes. I live in Canada now, and accsess to health care is generally fine, thanks to Tommy Douglas..god bless him. However I did read the other day that one in five Canadians do not have a General Practioner. The money around the system seems to be clinics (Paid for by our Health Plan) or specialists. Still. Nothing to gripe about. The important thing is knowing you will not end up dying or getting dumped on the street. Crazy Yank Style.
Oooo you said single malt...
Aberlour a'bunadh.....
just a wee dram....
or so...
-Doug ©
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
In all fairness
I have to say that a year ago, I received medical treatment at Hospital Monte España and it was good. Now someone did have to put up $4000 in advance to cover me, but it was good. They brought me back from near death. To say that medical treatment is free, may not be accurate. As a foreigner, I am considered a private pay when I go to the doctor at Su Medico. I was told med care was free for Nicaraguan citizens. I am only basing this on what I was told at the doctor`s office. I have not researched the legislation on this. Meanwhile, back in the States, my daughter does not have medical insurance, and is not rich. Yet she has never been denied medical treatment when she needed it. All the hopitals I know, and again, this is just based on personal experience, have indigent care. So.........what can I say. I am ok with the treatment I receive here. I am ok with the treatment in the U.S. BTW, for the record, I love Nicaragua and its people. I also love the USA. I do not see those two things in conflict.
opinion or fact?
"And, despite ludicrous right-wing anecdotal claims of high dissatisfaction among those who live in countries with universal healthcare, the reality is that, with the exception of Italy, Americans are more dissatisfied with their healthcare than are the citizens of every other developed nation, including England, France, Germany, and Canada. Moreover, US doctors spend less time with patients that do doctors in other nations." opinion or fact? if fact, can you direct me to the source? thanks
when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson
Google Dissatisfaction with health care by nation...
...and do your own homework. Ranking below Costa Rica ought to be a clue.
For instance:
1) from a nov 2007 gallup poll:
Objective Concern Runs High
Asked to choose among four descriptions of the U.S. healthcare system -- "in a state of crisis," "has major problems," "has minor problems," or "does not have any problems" -- most Americans take a negative view. Nearly three-quarters (73%) say the system is in crisis or has major problems (with the bulk saying major problems), while only 26% discount the issue.
(there was graph here) Americans seem particularly concerned about access to healthcare. Only 27% say healthcare coverage in the nation is "excellent" or "good," while 72% describe it as "only fair" or "poor." By contrast, Americans are more positive about the quality of healthcare, with 54% calling it excellent or good and 45% calling it only fair or poor.
2)Brit. Med. Journ. Nov. 2007 International Survey
The United States is the nation most dissatisfied with its healthcare system, while the Dutch are the most satisfied, an international survey has found.
The study, of 12 000 adults in seven industrialised countries (Australia, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States), was conducted by the US health policy charity the Commonwealth Fund (Health Affairs 2007;26:w717-34 doi: 10.1377/hlthaff.26.6.w717). The results were released last week at a news conference in Washington, DC, that involved a panel of health ministers and other representatives from several of the countries.
3) Kaiser study from fall 2006 http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7572.pdf
4)http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3987/is_200501/ai_n9474891
"...each year, between 44,000 and 98,000 people in the United States die as a result of preventable, hospital-based medical errors." (2004) (MY COMMENT: Sad to say, this article says that only 11-14% of people, or their heirs, damaged or killed by preventable medical errors sue. And I guess McCain would call those suits "frivolous".)
Overall Perceptions
In terms of consumers' overall perceptions about their medical care, an analysis of the responses showed downward trends in satisfaction and quality of care. According to the survey:
* Over half (55%) of the public stated that they are currently dissatisfied with the quality of health care in this country, compared to 44% who reported the same in 2000. Conversely, about four in ten (41%) reported that they are satisfied with the quality of health care in this country, compared to 54% in 2000.
* Four in ten (40%) say the quality of health care has "gotten worse" in the past five years, compared to 17% who say it has "gotten better" and 38% who say it has "stayed about the same."
* Nearly half (48%) of the adults surveyed say they are at least somewhat worried about the health care that they and their family receive, including 22% who say they are "very worried." -------------------------------------------- MY COMMENT: Of course, at 71st, Nicaragua doesn't inspire greater confidence, but I would guess they're trending towards better while the US is trending toward worse, depite the vast difference in resources to do so.
Some caveats
Expectations count for a lot of the USA rankings. Americans expect so much more so when they are asked about quality they tend to underrate what they get based on what they expect, not what the service is in comparison to another country. We want a lot, we want it now and we want it for a bargain. You'll find that in many areas where people are asked to rate services. Perceptions do not always equal reality.
I disagree with your last point that the USA is trending worse with the implication being that is will continue to decline. health care is at the top of the political agenda and really on the radar screen in the USA, so I think there will be some changes and hopefully they will be for the better. it looks like from your various quotes that if accessability level rises to meet the quality level (which is the focus of attention) the program will be on the right track.
I think the goal has to be to make health care a litle better for many more people, not to make it a lot better for the few who have super exotic diseases or the very old.....such as by spending a $100,000 to prolong the life of a comatose 91 year old. Better spend $1,000 on prevention in 1000 kids who need it. That will take some doing as it impinges on religion, etc.
i have no problems with health care...being healthy (knock wood) and having the means to get to good care should I need it. But in spite of that I clearly feel he need for bringing it to more people in a better way. Others like me do to...so I think we are on the right track
ATZ
Expectations vs Big Pharma & HMO propaganda
To imply that ordinary Americans stating their opinion of their own health care system are too naive or idealistic to notice the declining standards is to insult their intelligence. I think their perceptions ARE reality. What is not reality is the plethora of pseudo-articles planted in the all-too-compliant-press by big corporations claiming that, say, Canadian or British, or any other single payer system is a horror show. This is where American perception does not match reality. I think anyone who is paying attention to the subject knows that most Americans don't knock themselves out informing themselves about the realities of life outside the US. (As an aside, my dental hygienist said to me, after I said I was just back from Thailand, "Do they still wear bones in their noses?" I thought at first that she was joking, but, sadly, no. My dentist said "Thailand? Is that the island the Chinese want back? I didn't know you could go there.")
If you do the Google search and read the studies in date order, you will see that the more recent the study, the worse the satisfaction. I call that a trend.
One of the articles is headlined by a phrase mentioning that health care is not at the top of the political agenda, and even if it were, that's the future we hope for, not the reality we live with.
If you do any research at all on health care costs and availability in the US, you will find that administration costs count for 1/4th to 1/3 of the total, far higher than any other system in the world. This is just more corporate greed and mis-use of power, one of the hallmarks of the era for the US. By the way, I recently read a story from the doctor's point of view, maybe from the AMA, that rated how properly or poorly they got paid by the various payers. Medicare got a 98% rating and the private orgs got from 20-40-something% (I could be off a few points here- 60 year-old brain and all, so shoot me).
I would agree with you that too much is spent on babies with severe birth defects, but we can't be aborting "life" can we? Quality of which be damned! Ronald Reagan put that into effect with a signing statement that also included a "spy on your co-worker" clause that provided a hotline for the uber-religious or just spiteful hospital worker to rat out anyone they thought wasn't putting enough effort into saving, say a baby with its brain outside its skull, costing about a million a day, and costing the family a great deal more in the long run. And we know what happened to Jack Kerkorian for trying to help those who don't want to be forced to live a long but very low-quality of life. All brought to us by folks who suffer from the delusion that they know god better than anyone else, a sickness for which no cure has been found.
I guess maybe you'd be encouraged by a policy statement put out recently on how the brown shirts (Homeland Security) has decided to ration healthcare if there is an epidemic, say of bird flu, which is another planted story, priming us to accept more loss of civil and constitutional rights. Burn victims will not get treatment, nor will the elderly. It doesn't say what they'll decide to do with birth defected newborns - maybe eat them? Here's a few of their recommendations-----------------------------
The idea is to try to make sure that scarce resources - including ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses - are used in a uniform, objective way, task force members said. Their recommendations appear in a report appearing Monday in the May edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest Physicians. "If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states. To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the Godlike task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include: _People older than 85. _Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings. _Severely burned patients older than 60. _Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease. _Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes. ----------------------------------------------------------- Many developed countries consider health care a human right. I agree. Running our society as if it were a business is not only dumb, it's also immoral. A just society is concerned with people, not just maximizing profits for the few.
In the event of a major catastrophe
where there are thousands who have already died, and several hundred thousands needing medical care, many of them who will die without immediate care, and others will die later as a result of their injuries, despite care provided - given your sense of morality, what would be your criteria for allocating fairly the limited medical resources, and personnel, and hospital beds, when all three would be in short supply given the magnitude of the catastrophe? To assist you in understanding the problem, assume for one moment a terrorist has successfully detonated a dirty nucleur bomb in the middle of NYC, and you are made responsible to co-ordinate medical relief. Who will get what?
i agree
with your first premise about expectations. it is tempting to ask everyone else to pay for your medical care. until someone starts telling you that your condition is too costly....please give me freedom from dmv healthcare....
when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson
DMV??
ATZ
dmv
department of motor vehicles. i have recieved gov't healthcare before. and like the book, animal farm, all the animals are never equal. just like in life, it was who you knew and your position that got you better treatment. freedom is not fair....but then again life is not fair either....
when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson
Duhhh??
So we just forget government of, by and for the people and let the corporations continue to rule? Where's the freedom in that?
Mussolini's definition of fascism was that corporations run the government. I agree.
corporations
corporations are a legal fiction. they don't get to walk into the ballot box or hold elected office. how do they get to rule? in my state, they cannot even contribute to individual campaigns. or are you buying the talking points of the looney left? mussolini was a leftist, please see the book liberal fascism by jonah goldberg. here, i'll do your homework for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism as for freedom, can i refer you to the 5th amendment of the constitution? i suspect you want to grow gov't, i'd like it to shrink...
when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson
"liberal fascism" is another fabrication of the loonie right
No, you suspect wrong. I do NOT want to grow the government. I guess you haven't noticed the FACT that government has grown exponentially with the current regime. They took us from a budget surplus to the incredible deficit we have now, mostly by borrowing money from the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners. Our government is spending that borrowed money on never-ending war, spying on its own citizens, setting up secret concentration camps all over the world, kidnapping and disappearing people all over the world and essentially behaving in a pathological anti-social mode.
I want a government that is OF, BY and FOR the people. You got a problem with that? I want 3 branches of government, not an imperial executive/king who controls all without checks and balances and who in turn, is controlled by a bunch of corporations that profit from war and from screwing the average American.
If you think corporations don't rule America, you are so far behind the learning curve that I can't help you. Who do think those 600 extemely highly paid registered lobbyists work for? Not me, and unless you've got a lot of stocks, not you either.
Mussolini a leftist? Ludicrous! He was a far-right fascist, like Hitler! Or is the loonie right now going to re-classify Hitler as a leftist? That seems to be the button the right likes to push for their non-thinking base. They label anything or anyone they don't like as "leftist" and no more thinking required.
Bush's approval rating is down to the 20's, illustrating Lincoln's comment that "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people ALL the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." You've been fooled, bro. Snap out of it.
i never
i never said the current regime is conservative, did i? fyl will tell you i have argued repeatedly, ad infinitum, that bush loves the un, that he probably went into iraq to enforce its mandates or to avenge the assasination attempt on his father. who by the way also went into iraq as a un function. bush increased the budget. he is not a conservative.
how many conservatives or libertarians (ron paul a republican for example,) want bigger gov't, more taxation, and collectivism, to be the police force of the world? what does rockefeller want?
btw, there was never a budget surplus...there was a projection...
when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson
Ahhh yes..the old Left/Right...Us/Them..Black/White....
Beat that dead horse, "they" like to see social division among the "surplus population"
but while you are, the globalists are taking control of our food
---------- " The cause of that coming food deficit was not natural, however, but was a result of western financial policy: "Capital investments for irrigation and infrastucture and the organization requirements for continuous improvements in agricultural yields may be beyond the financial and administrative capacity of many LDCs (Lesser Developed Countries). For some of the areas under heaviest population pressure, there is little or no prospect for foreign exchange earnings to cover constantly increasingly imports of food."
---------- "It is questionable," Kissinger gloated, "whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis." Consequently, "large-scale famine of a kind not experienced for several decades—a kind the world thought had been permanently banished," - "Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide"
by Joseph Brewda
and why will most folks have a hard time buying food?
----------- "In 1913, America's leaders were bribed and bamboozled by mostly foreign bankers and their US agents. Our leaders committed treason by giving these bankers the power to create money out of thin air backed only by the credit, i.e. taxes, of the American people. The U.S. government now borrows its own money from international bankers and pays them interest to the tune of $360 billion per annum for the privilege." -The Charade Of Democracy By Henry Makow, Ph.D
And whats next ?
The Left and The Right will be standing in the same UN food line...
or not (see Darfur )
P.S. if you have dirt, GROW FOOD-NOW
-Doug ©
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
yes, GROW FOOD-NOW and SAVE YOUR OWN SEEDS
I've been an organic gardener and farmer since I could walk, so I couldn't agree more.
Monsanto, ADM and other mega-corporations have control over most of the world's food producing seeds. They have influenced the World Bank to REQUIRE purchase of these genetically modified (GM), herbicide tolerant seeds, plus those that require a chemical, purchased from them of course, for a seed to germinate, in order to get a loan from the bank.
Within the last few weeks, NICARAGUA has been pressured into the same mold, in order to get seeds. It's a done deal. You will now be eating GM corn, even if it's grown locally.
In America, farmers who want to plant saveable seed are having a difficult-to-impossible time FINDING seed sources. Those traditional sources have either been bought up and then dissolved by Monsanto and co-conspirators, or have been run out of business by government regulations limiting farmer's choices of seeds, if they want to participate in government agriculture programs.
In America, farmers have successfully been prosecuted by Monsanto, etc., for stealing the pollen that has blown over onto their own non-Monsanto crops, and then saving their own seed. If your seed has Monsanto genetics, you're guilty of stealing their PATENTED seed genes, no matter how it got into your seeds. All corn is wind pollenated, except for lab-grown.
Hybrid garden seeds do not produce true, so saving those seeds will get you nowhere. Some of those plants don't even produce viable seeds. Get your seeds from Johnny's of Maine.
It is against American law to clone (take cuttings) from your own plants and produce more, if the orginal producer has a plant patent on the plant you bought. I'm a gardening criminal because I have cloned some of my rose bushes and fruit trees. Even rooting the cuttings of patented tomato plants is illegal. And it gets harder all the time to even find non-patented plants and seeds.
Monsanto is also among the global leaders in stealing plant material from Latin American countries, patenting the genetics, then crimianlizing the growing of their own plants in their own country, or any where else.
Yeah, better living through chemistry! How many people could feed themselves if there was nothing at the grocery store? I hope you/we all have a little more respect for the growers of food next time you pass by, or buy, at a local market.
Rights and Responsibilities
Take medical insurance companies or HMOs as an example. The corporate goal is to maximize profits for the stockholders. Providing better medical care can only come as a side benefit—for example, offering better services that can be marketed to ultimately increase revenue.
Now, how do they get to rule? Let's take Halliburton.
I don't think I need to connect all the dots here. The ties between Halliburton and the current administration is pretty obvious. How much Halliburton benefits from the Iraqi war I expect is detailed in both the U.S. government budget and the Halliburton annual report.
but who's paying attention?
Halliburton is the corporation that was remiss in supplying toilet paper and drinking water to American troops in Iraq, not to mention not enough body armor and vehicle armor to go around.
Their subsidiary, KRB (Kellogg, Root & Brown) was recently called to account for a $1 BILLION discrepency in billing to the military. The government employee who called on them to account was fired and replaced by a more KRB-friendly appointee, who then disappeared the issue. This, CHE, is how corporatons are running the government, and punishing anyone who doesn't go along.