BDF: The Final Episode
Executive Summary: If you have money, buy a good mattress and put your money under it.
While there have been many adventures, my most recent was described in my blog. The "main problem" was that BDF wanted new references even though I had had the account there (with references) for over four years. One of the "excuses" was that the references were not from natural persons. A bit strange as they were on company letterhead but signed by real people.
I dutifully came back with the new references but I was told they had changed the form so I had to do it again. I left.
Well, today I went to get a check from the account. First, a guy attended to me but when he found out what I wanted, he told me I would have to talk to one of the muchachas and suggested a specific one. As another muchacha kept routing other people to my future muchacha I was about to leave. Then, the same guy decided it could help me.
But, what that meant was that he wanted to harass me about my account again. With the help of a different muchacha they start cross-examining me explaining that they need a complete profile on me. She asks if I work for a salary. I explain that I don't—I am investing in a business. Oops, wrong answer (today).
Immediately, there are two problems:
- Where does the money come from (that is already in the account)?
- As "this" is a business, I need business references. (Um, yeah, like I already have.)
Now, I explain that I am rather grumpy about this whole thing. I point out how much time it took to do the last deposit with the manager having to FAX checks to Managua in order to get an ok to deposit them. I also explain that he knows what I am doing pointing to a withdrawal that he had to get processed in Managua for the check to buy the land.
They go talk to him and come back to explain that what I said was all true but "there are procedures in place". I grunt and say that I don't want to play anymore.
To add insult to the situation, they explain that I cannot get the check until I come back with the new letters, ... The guy says describes it as a little problem.
I explain I want to close the account as I am sick of playing. He says "ahorita"? I say yes. He heads back to talk to the manager. He returns and tells me the manager wants to talk to me.
He first asks how I am. I tell him "mad at BDF". He then starts to explain "procedure" and such. I stop him saying I don't want to play anymore. I just want to close the account. Now, the manager seems like a decent enough guy but he is young, powerless and very much the kind of guy who doesn't bend rules.
He then tells me that I won't be able to open an account in another bank without the same amount of hoop-jumping. I explain that I have opened accounts in other banks and my problem with BDF is not opening accounts, it is that virtually every time I go there I end up in a meeting with the manager to do what should be normal bank business. Fine, we will close the account.
Well, that requires five people, lots of paperwork (but, surprisingly enough, very little more than a bank check) and an hour. But, eventually I get a check and leave.
I am not sure BDF is the worst bank to deal with but, at least in Estelí where the manager has no power (probably thanks to a problem with four ex-bank employees a year or so ago), they are pretty useless. A mattress sure seems a lot better.


Sunday
I´m in a ciber on my way back from the bank. BDF cajero automatico was automatically out of service, which means I have to go tomorrow at 820 to make a withdrawal which disrupts my scedule for the day. )If you don´t go at 1820 you are looking at a 1 1-2 hour wait in line, a real pain for someone who was used to doing his banking online and thru the nite drop=.
If I ever get a cedula I´m going to change banks just to find one that has cajeros that work. BAC seems to be the winner here.
$ machine
tryed my new bdf card last night in managua at the $machine across from plaza intra.
did not work jajaja
bac is the best ....imo
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Most Gringo?
Best or most Gringoish? I friend of mine needed to get a letter of reference from BAC. Sure, no problem—it just costs $4. Also, to the best of my knowledge, they don't offer Euro accounts. BDF, Bancentro and BANPRO do. That matters to quite a few NGOs and should matter to anyone who has cash sitting in a bank savings account.
ok the most reliable
is bac thats why you pay the premium for $money machine withdrawals.
other banks offer diffrent accounts and services ...
i thought we were just talking about getting money out of a machine.
cheers
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We were
My ATM experience has been that BAC, BANPRO and Bancentro ATMs are broken or out of money maybe 5% of the time. My BDF experience was that their ATM actually worked about 5% of the time. I have never used the Banco ProCredit ATM.
ATMs
You can use your BDF card in the BAC ATM. That's the only one that will cough up US$ or Cordobas, Other choices:
findesa
Just opened a bank acct.at findesa today.No problems.I have a pensionado cedula,which i needed,my passport and proof that i had a income,my s.s. statement, 2 references on there paper.took them about 30 minutes too open it.Also have accts. at BAC which i think is the best bank down here.I have some property in Waslala and needed a bank up there.hopefully it works out ok.With money laundering all these countries are getting tuff on opening bank accts.Yes, you have to have a cedula to open an acct.
Propinto?
Fyl, do you think your transactions would have been expedited had you offered the teller a 'tip'?
No
This is clearly a case of two things at work:
The first resulted in long-term branch manager getting replaced with a newbie. (The ex-manager had told me a few years ago he expected to get replaced. He said it would be with someone less expensive. While that is probably true, I don't think it is the whole story.) The new manager either wasn't given the same level of discretionary power or just doesn't want to try for it.
Thus, everything is by the book and the book has probably been revised as well. With what happened here last year, I am sure this branch will be watched more closely than others. But, that doesn't make it a good option for local banking.
The U.S. pressure issue was explained to me by the previous manager in BANPRO. (I don't know where he went but the new manager is first, not a lawyer, and also seems to have less discretionary power. But, BANPRO still seems to work more like a branch bank rather than a set of clerks tied to Managua.) He explained that the U.S. government put pressure on the Federal Reserve to put pressure on the correspondent banks to only deal with "clean banks".
The most important part of this "being clean" issue he said was requiring all their customers to have a Nicaraguan cédula. He said they wouldn't arbitrarily close accounts of those without cédulas but could be effectively forced to in order to be able to effect foreign transfers in US dollars.
Each bank seems to have its own ways of dealing with this "keep clean" mandate. Based on experiences of a friend, Bancentro seems to be sane about it. That is, they qualify their customers but, beyond that, don't implement procedures that get in the way of normal banking. BAC is effectively a U.S. bank and plays by U.S. rules. Finally, Banco ProCredit, "solved the problem" by stopping accepting foreign checks.
I had problems with BDF ATM machines . . .
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THE LAND OF
banks are clamping down
on money laundering.
they want to know who we are and what are we doing here.
banks are wanting updated data.
old reference are just what they are. when i walked in to san juan 3 years ago . the reference for me to open a account came from the hotel clerk and the chamber maid. they both lied said they new me for 3 years.
the young cute manager in san juan is gone know , the new manager in san juan lives across the street from me in rivas.
that reminds me i have to go back and get my new bank card.
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oh you are such a placid geek
I think I would have wanted to throttle someone. especially when it seemed there might be a problem getting my own cheque cashed. Remember The old folks, in the old days, swearing never to trust banks. There is still a school of thought that it is better to be "weighted" in Gold instead of paper. Such is the wild west of Esteli, although it's always a good idea to get to know your local Bank Manager before you do business with the Bank. Suppose your bed catches fire.
gold and silver better then paper
i just put a order in for a 1000 oz of silver. i was trading silver $4.50 did pretty well should have held on to the bars instead of playing with it.
adding to my bag again sitting in canada.
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Financieras
There is another set of financial institutions in Nicaragua called financieras. The yellow pages lists lots. They are much like Credit Unions in the U.S.
They seem to be fairly real. One of my cousins works for one. Ana also got a check from a person with an account in one. For day-to-day banking they may be a better choice. It's on my list of things to check out.
Beyond that, I have only seen BDF being absurd.
bdf esteli
My dealings with BDF are much simpler. I just wish their ATM would work more than 2 days out of 3. I also notice that they have a very high turnover of all visible employees.
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Employees
There certainly has been a lot that are gone. Four were "removed" about a year ago but there continues to be turnover.
Last week I found one of the decent ones that seems to have vanished. She now works in BANPRO.