Dealing with the "price crisis"

Submitted by fyl on 8 May, 2008 - 19:40.

The price of food is rising quickly—not just in Nicaragua but in the world. The price of fuel as well. Or, put another way, the value of the US dollar and currencies pegged to it is buying less and less. Here is Nicaragua we have a transport strike, an international meeting on the food crisis and a situation where while there is food available, many people can't afford to buy it.

This combined problem is regular conversation with my friends and family. The most common response is "it is the fault of Ortega" and "the government should do something". But, when questioned further, there doesn't ever seem to be a solution. The closest anyone got to an answer is "the government should impose price controls".

It's easy to say you are pissed off because beans cost too much, gasoline costs too much or the electricity was off for four hours yesterday. But, harder to come up with a useful approach to address the problem. Maybe there is a solution I am overlooking but I sure don't hear anyone else with any useful ideas right now. So, my question is, "if you were 'supreme leader' of Nicaragua, what action would you take?"

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IMF 'helps' Honduras..

as outlined in this Bloomberg story;

"The country was $3.6 billion in debt in 1990. In return for loans from the World Bank, Honduras became one of dozens of developing nations that abandoned policies designed to protect farmers and citizens from volatile food prices. The U.S. House Financial Services Committee in Washington today explored the causes of the global food crisis and possible solutions.

The committee examined whether policies advocated by the bank and the International Monetary Fund contributed to the situation. Governments from Ghana to the Philippines were pressured to cut protective tariffs and farm supports and to grow more high-value crops for export, reports by the Washington-based World Bank show."

"In 2004, the bank advised Ethiopia to stop providing fertilizer and credit to small farmers as part of a debt relief package, and it persuaded Indonesia to dismantle its rice marketing board, according to Elizabeth Stuart in Washington, who is the head of relations with the World Bank and IMF for Oxfam International, the U.K.-based alliance fighting poverty."

-Doug

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

Bloomberg

Nothing against adding more data to the debate (always a good idea), especially when it comes from a well-known source (it does), but it seems like a non-article to me. "Non" in the sense that I suspect the authors just strung together stuff they found on the web. I live in Honduras and am not sure what to make of the story. Much of it simply does not map to reality (a nice, sort of polite way of saying journalists should actually do research before they write articles).

I say that because: (1) It is hard to find non-Honduran rice in the country but, statistically, they import 83% of the rice they consume? Not likely; (2) This was triggered two decades ago ("a dependency triggered almost two decades ago when it adopted free-market policies pushed by the World Bank and other lenders) and for some bizarre reason never resulted in a price scandal until the last 10 months as select Honduran food growers are raking in the cash? No likely; (3) The problem was ripe for solution when they reluctantly removed the U.S. rice tariffs? Not likely (this particular U.S. foodstuff costs more than ever, not less than ever; when U.S. rice can be found, it usually costs double Honduran rice, and more importantly, costs triple what that same U.S. rice costs in the U.S. (Delmonte, Kraft, Smuckers, Hersheys, etc., etc., etc., can export to HN and sell for the same as suggested retail in the U.S., but none of the rice manufacturers can doe better than 300% increase? Seems unlikely); (4) If in 2008 you want to prove a current point using statistics, is it a good idea to focus on 1990-1994, but not stats from 1994-2006? Not likely; (5) Is it a good idea to focus on alleged inexpensive foodstuffs ("The trade barriers that helped the country meet more than 90 percent of domestic demand were dismantled under an agreement for a World Bank loan in September that year, allowing cheaper imports to flood the market"), if those foodstuffs cannot ever be found at the alleged cheaper prices? Not likely. The food that had come in, later came in, and is now coming in, is simply not cheaper (this can be confirmed by any number of supermarket and pulperia visits by anyone who can do basic math - and hopefully that does not rule out Bloomberg staff writers, but you never know...); (6) Is the number of farmers required for any particular product ("There now are 1,300 rice farmers in Honduras, compared with more than 20,000 in 1989, according to human rights group FIAN.") really the best measure of the demands/needs and/or revenues of that same product? Not likely (after all, is there too little or too much rice being grown in Honduras? There is no shortage of rice and the cheapest rice to be found is Honduran).

If a country were only able to import expensive food, then the article might make sense. The problem is that, in HN, imported food is not easy to find, and when it can be found it is not being sold at tariff-free prices, and there is no shortage of food anywhere in the country due to IL policies or any other thing, etc., etc., etc. I do not know the real cause or answer, and admit it. Maybe Honduran growers are somehow blocking comparable imports; maybe Hondurans are blocking or evading a governmental mechanism for state price controls; maybe Hondurans are bypassing the tariff-based price schemes and are after-import unilaterally pricing imports beyond the in-country product; maybe the problem could be solved by actually importing cheap U.S. rice and beans which would grossly undercut current prices; maybe Hondurans are importing pricey U.S. rice and repackaging it to appear as Honduran; maybe any number of things are true, but if large-scale things are as they appear to be, then the so-called "facts" of many news counts are not actually true which means they are not facts - and one cannot base any realistic account or conclusion on them.

In the end, markets are full of Honduran produce made or grown by Hondurans that most Hondurans can not afford, period, and the journalists have nothing to say regarding this fact; absolutely nothing. It is at least the 20th article I have seen this month, on the high cost of food, that manages not to ever list the cost of that food to the average person, per pound, per day, per family, per inflation, per % of daily salary, per anything, really. It is unfortunate, but the article doesn't really shed light on the biggest issues; one cannot write an article like this solely based from an office in Singapore or Bogota or D.C.

Nicaagua in crisis

The first thing you do is discourage American Christians and missionaries from coming to NIcaragua. They are like a blight with nothing good in there history The have no doubt and George Bush does, in their minds that there fairly tale is the best and only one and that everyone on the planet should believe. things like invade sovereign countries, supply all the bad guys with arms then go to war with them, install dictators then take them out, wipe out the american indians, mexican , exploit Africans, and so on , the list is huge. They are a plague. , Second the people of Nicaragua have to make a decision, do you want to be a capitalist society, if so what brand. Do you want to be homogenized by America and be just like them, become consumers with no conscious. Do you want to be like them, a county that has 5% of the earth population but consumes over 26% of the earths resources. Once the people have decided on capitalism and the Brand of Capitalism they want , then they need to encourage it , and get the hell out the way and let entrepreneurs do what they do best, exploit the countries resources in a ethnical manner and make money. Build it and they will come.

Let them burn cake

I don't know exactly what goes on within the cerebrum of Ortega, but I would guess that he'd be OK with having geothermal. If he's shown no interest in developing it, that's probably because (like so many political leaders) he doesn't much care what's happening outside the walls of his palace and his Swiss bank account.

If government leaders were prohibited from having their own private electric generators and had to rely on the increasingly flaky public grid, geothermal development might suddenly become a national priority.

Power to the People...

Right On

© John Lennon

the undependable power supply is strangling economic growth

-Doug

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

Some things that are immediate

1. Reduce or eliminate taxes and import duties on Alternative energy products

2. Set the Fuel taxes to a flat rate (x cordobas) rather than a percentage

3. set higher taxes on other things such as cigarettes and liquor

4. Set laws to force a certain number of Manzanas to used for agriculture (food stuff, not just animal feed) for every x manzanas used for Ganados.

5. Encourage Immigration of Qualified professionals with small capitals to bring into the country (10K or so) (doctors, engineers, even farmers, etc...) with incentives such as leased land, cheap land, tax breaks etc. The country needs about another 5 million qualified people...

There are more things to be done on Education, Business incentives, Judicial security, Foreign and local Investment incentive, Salaries for public workers (police, doctors, nurses), etc.

limited options

There is no easy way out for Nicaragua. The country doesn´t produce oil, and isn´t likely to. Biodiesel is almost certainly a dead end. Solar energy, on the other hand, is something that Nica could do a lot with, though the average family can hardly afford it.

So for the moment, conservation is about as good as it gets.

One of the things that puzzles me is how you find restaurants, internet cafes, etc, that have only air-con. But then they don´t want to turn on the air-con, becauses it uses so much power.

Just keep the air-con turned off and run some electric fans.

Yes, I know it´s not the great final solution to all of Nicaragua´s energy problems, but it´s a start.

The proliferation of private cars and motorcycles is in fact a bigger issue.

If I were Supreme Leader...

I would do most everything Doug said except legalize Cannabis sativa. I would also outlaw getting drunk.

I guess I'll never be Supreme Leader.

I would definitely stop burning fossil fuels, and encourage renewable energy: solar, wind, geothermal and hydro. I would also encourage organic agriculture by small producers.

Addendum: If the Cannabis is hemp for its many productive uses, I am OK with it. Hemp is a miracle plant, good for food, fiber, and fuel. For sitting around and getting stoned, no thanks.

food, fiber, and fuel....how about..

stopping muscles spasms or treating chronic pain, glaucoma, M.S., arthritis,..or just plain old depression ?

Would you rather people to take Prozac and Paxil ?

Get hooked on Oxycontin ?

or maybe a heart attack with Celebrex;

"This medicine can increase your risk of life-threatening heart or circulation problems, including heart attack or stroke. This risk will increase the longer you use Celebrex. Do not use this medicine just before or after having heart bypass surgery (also called coronary artery bypass graft, or CABG).

Seek emergency medical help if you have symptoms of heart or circulation problems, such as chest pain, weakness, shortness of breath, slurred speech, or problems with vision or balance."

Side effect of cannabis- munchies

Result over dose- fall asleep

Oh yeah, save us all from the Devil Weed with roots in hell.

-Doug

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

'supreme leader' huh?

First, get together the ten or so top minds in Nicaragua. No two from any one political party get invited. The poor get represented by a poet from León and a mayor who once was a bean farmer. And one from each of the four richest families in Nicaragua. No TV, no press. Insure a civilized meeting by establishing parliamentary rules (by letter beforehand) and with tight security. All that's said gets recorded and transcribed, to be shared with all newspapers and put on the web.

The meeting begins with el Supremo spelling out all details of the ALBA accord, and a straighforward accounting of where the moneys have gone on the resale of Venezuelan oil. Open the books, trust the people. Next he explains the arrangements (& safeguards) made with all major trade partners.

All will agree on what the root cause of the problem is and how Nicaragua can intelligently deal with it, before the meeting ends. All participants will eat gallo pinto and drink coffee or water, only. Beds will be provided.

Decrease Electricity Waste

Just one of the things I thought of. rumor is that Nicaragua is using 10% over current generation capacity right now so it is critical.

  • CF lights — There was supposed to be a program to get CF lights to the average person cheap. As I remember, Union Finosa would distribute them. What happened?
  • Grid losses — Rumor is that the electric grid losses are around 30%. 10% would be a bit closer to normal. Even getting them decreased to 20% would eliminate the current shortfall.
  • Stolen power — The semi-new law makes theft of over C$500 of electricity a specific crime. Enforce it. While there are a lot of conflicting rumors, it is likely that the majority of the theft in terms of energy used are businesses and the well-connected. Getting this metered will likely make them a bit more responsible in use lowering consumption.

Long-term, developing alternatives (in particular, geothermal) is very important. But it would seem these items can be addressed short-term. Less electricity usage means less diesel usage. That should lower the costs for the transportation sector.

CF Lights were distributed

The CF lights were distributed for a really cheap price. I saw reps from one of the govt offices selling them in Centro Comerical Managua awhile ago.

It was all very up and up. You had to show ID and fill out a form in order to buy them. I think they were selling them that day to pensionados or people that have INSS cards. I know that I could not buy them because I had neither card.

I've also seen them for sale in the military supermarket for cheap.

Esteli?

Well, we never saw them up here in Estelí. Of course, we don't see blackouts either. :-)

CFs are available widely in Granada

CFs are available here in Granada everywhere, and even the folks who could buy them don't. It's easy to complain about the cost of electricity but, I'll never understand people who don't make the changes that they can. We put in several new ceiling fans in our place, with lights. Every bulb in the house is CF. It cost more per bulb sure but, with what we'll save in Finosa bills, over the life of the bulbs. they'll have more than made up for the cost. We should do what we can do. Finosa www indicates we're supposed to be cut of electricity from 7am - 2pm, actually it's been more like 2pm - 5pm each day.

Here is my dos Cordovas

STOP THE WORLDWIDE GREED!

Speculators are the main drive for the higher prices, out of greed of course.

Make EVERYONE in the world highly productive, then we would have plenty of EVERYTHING, no shortages and no price gauging and we can all live in a communist paradise by just trading the excess of everything we have amongst ourselves!!!

Screw it! It is past midnight; I can't sleep and decided to start a fight with fyl

well let's see....

Stop burning oil to make electricity,

all the frigin volcano's around begging for geo-thermal. A lot of windy places begging for wind mills. Small solar for domestic use, bio-diesel from algae has a very promising future, would work great here.

Build more grain storage, utilize what is already in place more efficiently, stop selling at low prices because there is nowhere to store the harvest excess. Maximize production of domestically consumed produce to keep local prices as low as possible.

Small loans for local irrigation projects to boost production. More small farms for rural folks to grow their own food and buy as much.

Build an efficient rail system, trucks and buses are wasteful, use the geo-thermal electricity to power it. Reduce taxes on importation of hybrid vehicles and energy producing equipment.

and last but not least,

legalize cannabis,

for lots of energy related reasons, and to keep the population happy...

I want to be re-elected :)

-Doug

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate

I agree

All of Doug's points make a lot of sense. I even agree with the cannabis part (for medical reasons, I don't know how it applies to energy).

What is the reason that geothermal isn't the main source of energy here? With all these volcanoes, there is abundant geothermal right near the surface. Does Iceland have an embassy here? They've got it down to a science.

With the price of energy as high as it is now, a lot of alternative sources are now profitable. While there are hands extended for donations all over Nicaragua, is there anyone trying to implement geothermal on a for-profit basis?

Cannabis and volcanos

The reason hemp fits into an energy equation is two-fold. First, hemp plants can grow on about any soil and produce four to five times the biomass as you get with trees. That biomass can be an energy source.

Hemp can also be used for food (hemp seeds have balanced amino acids, for example), and consumer products that are commonly made with plastic (in other words, oil).

I believe the geothermal issue is just lack of investment. I am reasonably sure there was talk six months or so ago of the company with the current contract (Polaris, I think) working with the company in Iceland that did the huge plant there. I agree this is important and needs to get developed.

geothermal?

Nicaragua had installed geothermal plants in the 1970's. the problem is that no upgrading has been done, and these plants are past their expiration date. Nicaragua could be like Iceland producing most of its power from geothermal. Unfortunately Ortega, being Chavez's minion is not interested, and the USA through its oil companies do not want countries to be self-sufficient. particularly those near foggy bottom....

Good theory

This is a good theory but with the world demand for oil rising and Venezuela willing to sell Nicaragua cheap oil for resale, I don't see what it would be to the advantage for Ortega to not develop geothermal. That would make Nicaragua look good and still offer sales profit on the oil.

i'm with you-doug

tucker- this country has it all for alternative energy-volcanos for geo-thermal-sun for solar-wind for windmills and yes -legalize cannabis for export and hemp for paper, clothes, etc-work more on tourism-develope non-polluting industries-quit exporting until food prices are brought down-i heard they have discovered oil on the pacific coast-and yes i know many people receiving electricity illegally-and the most important stop government corruption-oh well- i guess it's ok to dream

Hire Phil Hughes

run a geek ranch, grow beans and store them for a rainy day.

Geothermal power

It is true. Geothermal could provide most, if not all of the power Nicaragua needs, but produces just a small amount today. The government does not have the money, expertise, will, or all of the above to take on geothermal projects, while private investors have so far been reluctant to take on the risk of doing business in Nicaragua. There are presently two geothermal plants operating, at Momotombo and San Jacinto. Momotombo (operated by Ormat Geothermal) was designed to produce 70 MW, but is currently putting out about half of that for technical reasons. A small plant at San Jacinto (owned by Polaris Geothermal) is producing almost 10 MW at present, using wells that were drilled in the 1990s by the Russians. That plant was constructed in the last 5 years (not in the 70s), and an expansion to about 70MW is under way, including drilling new wells and building a new power plant. With a total national demand of about 450MW, another 70MW of base load generation will be significant, and save on imported fuel, which produces about 80% of the electricity in Nicaragua.

There are several other geothermal fields that are untouched, and more geothermal development by private investors will happen, provided developers are given a fair price for their electricity, and Nicaragua is perceived as a safe country to invest in. Most renewable energy sources, including geothermal, wind and hydro, involve large upfront costs, but low running costs, unlike oil fired generation which is the reverse. Therefore developers need assurance that that they will receive reasonable prices for at least 20 years, to pay back their considerable investment. They are less likely to make that investment where there is perceived to be an unstable government, corruption, political interference or a risk of nationalisation of assets such as electricity generating plant. Polaris must have made an informed decision, since they are investing in Nicaragua.

Phil

Polaris

I would love to be a fly on the wall in that Boardroom. For all the negatuve, realistic comments you have made, they(Polaris) are there, and somehow believe they will get a return on a (substantial) Investment. Did Union Fenosa think the same? Applies to other business as well of course. The major reason outsiders like myself are interested in Nicaragua at this moment in the History of Nica is not to make money. Apart from Real Estate Salesmen maybe, or running a tourist business maybe, the place isn't quite conducive or appealing to Financial risk. Too bad the Country has no Imaginative leadership. For the near future I wouldn.t expect much, I'd just be happy if it remained safe to live in.

more thoughts on geothermal....

PhilW regarding your statement on Polaris' investment, sometimes it depends who is also involved in the business. If a group of politically connected nica investors is part of the mix, the project may do well...

It is no secret that the EPS/Ejercito de Nicaragua own private businesses or are investors in projects that do not get media attention.

Nicaragua has not had a coherent development plan since 1979. The politicians are corrupt and short-sighted.

one also cannot underestimate the pressures brought to bear by the 7 infamous sisters (oil industry) on a small country through their owned congressmen and presidents.....

Nicaraguan Heat - 'political risk'

Nearly a year ago I quoted an article that dealt with Polaris' investment in Nicaragua, at, http://www.nicaliving.com/node/10582

As Phil W wrote, a corporation such as Polaris can bring in the expertise to develope such a natural resource, and pull in investors for the heavy up-front capital needed, but why? To make a profit. Nicaragua would certainly profit too. But such a business deal requires trust, and honor.

No, it's probably better for Nicaragua to let that geo-energy lay untapped than to even consider dealing with those foreign, capitalist pigs. Isn't that the current administration's thinking?

THE MAFIOSI DO NOT WANT NICARAGUA TO PROSPER

Daddy-Yo

in Nicaragua we have a saying "en rio revuelto, ganancia de pescadores".

This means that a few people profit by keeping the country in constant turmoil.

Let's be honest, the politicians' only goal in Nicaragua is to get rich as quick as possible while they have power. Today in la prensa we read how Rivas, has a private plane at his disposal to make shopping trips to Costa Rica.

How then can we expect this nation to develop when these !@#%$# are only concerned with stuffing their pockets???

The country has 30 years of deferred development and the cost of that keeps rising. Many cities have water shortages. Electricity is expensive and decrepit. The state of education is a joke. I have talked to school age and university students and have quizzed them about certain subjects such as world history. and current events and was amazed by the widespread ignorance. This of course is not their fault. The political class has succeeded in keeping these young kids in the dark. For if these kids knew what these politicos did, there would have been another revolution.

The population is hostage to the private mafias that control public transportation.

These people are seeking the impossible. They want the government to GUARANTEE that fuel prices will not rise. By now, readers of this forum know that I am no fan of the Sandinistas or Daniel Ortega.

Yet even though the transport collectives are sandinista affiliated, Ortega himself cannot control the price of oil.

Ortega is now getting a taste of his own medicine .During previous governments, the transport collectives successfully prevented previous administration's efforts to bring publically owned buses in Managua.

This would have been the logical solution in any rational country. Classic economic theory tells you that if a private business can not perform a function profitably, it is up to the State to provide the service (defense, roads, are the classic examples).

Instead, these transport mafias get fat subsidies, and yet do not share the revenue with the state. Ortega was not concerned with helping the Nicaraguan people finally resolve their transportation woes.

Since 1990, there has been on and off plans to establish a public bus service in Managua, yet time and time again, the sandinista collectives have threatened massive transport strikes.

We will not see in Nicaragua a politician do what Reagan did to the traffic controllers: fire all of them. Do you think that a Montealegre, or Navarro will have the balls to tell the transport unions to go to hell??

The self-preservation cowardice is typical. Today while listening to Radio Corporacion, I heard comments from the people of how fed up they were getting with the transport strike.....I just hope things finally boil over and the rotten abscess is punctured....

Chamorro shut down the railroads

Railroads offer one good way to save energy. The fact that they can be operated on coal or electricity (as well as diesel) also offers some freedom from oil dependency.

Much of Latin America had railroads, which were closed in the 1990s for reasons still unclear to me. I should note that Margaret Thatcher at least tried to shut down Britain's railroads too, though I don't think she entirely succeeded. First Reagan and later Bush have tried to kill Amtrak. It seems that right-wing governments have a particular hatred for railroads - not sure why that is. I guess because bus and trucking companies are more likely to be privately-owned, as opposed to state-owned.

China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea have continued building railroads, gaining great economic and ecological benefits.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Nicaragua

Most lines were shut down on December 31, 1993 by President Violeta Chamorro who ordered the rolling stock and rail demolished and sold for scrap.[7] The last one - 6 km from Chichigalpa to Ing. S. Antonio - was decommissioned in September 2001.

a little more about Thatcher

I'm not an authority on Thatcher, nor the UK (I only spent 4 days there), but I know that she did her best to kill public transport and threw money at building freeways (called "motorways" in the UK). She once boasted that her freeway building plans were "biggest road-building programme since the Romans". She was heavily criticized by Labour for her freeway schemes, when Labour was in opposition. After Labour came to power, it didn't take Tony Blair long to change his position and throw in his lot with the freeway construction industry, truckers and oil companies.

A quick Google search found this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/dec/13/guardiansocietysupplement3

It should be remembered that the UK during the 80s and 90s was a major oil exporter, thanks to the North Sea oil find. Oil companies had a big influence on politics, and oil was a major cash cow for Britain. Indeed, much of the prosperity that Thatcher liked to boast about could be attributed to the oil industry. And so Britain burned and exported oil like it was going out of style, but they did this when oil was at its cheapest. And now? The UK is an oil importer once again, and this is happening just as oil prices are going through the roof.

Neither the Conservatives nor Labour have killed off rail entirely in Britain, but from what I understand the UK now has one hell of a traffic mess. The best thing they could do is rip out the freeways and replace them with rail.

The only reason why I know anything at all about Thatcher's anti-railway pro-freeway pro-oil politics is because I was a subscriber to The Economist all through Thatcher's reign, and (being a British magazine) they gave these topics pretty thorough treatment. If there are any Brits on this board, I'm sure they would know more. I quit reading The Economist around 2000, after they endorsed George Bush for president.

the railroads

good memory Expat!

yet LA PRENSA being Chamorro owned, glosses over the outright theft by Antonio Lacayo (Chamorro's son in law). He of course, pocketed the money.

He sold the rail road tracks, etc to Chile. Railroads are very efficient for heavy transport, and of course very fuel efficient. one locomotive can displace dozens of trucks, if not more.

In Russia, India and China, railroads are still the main form of tranport. they may be crowded but they are sure cheap to run............

Railways are hugely expensive

They are always, mostly always, lookin for subsidies. They usually need big volumes in consistent, plannable traffic, passenger and especially, underline, especially, good paying freight. I didn't know "The Iron Lady" scuse the pun, wanted to shut down Rail? I thought she just had a Hard On for the Unions. British Railways, Coal and the British Steel miner unions to name a few.

Subsidies

Rail linked to subsidy is mostly a myth that gets thrown around via a very careful (careless?) use of language from the political right (the party that created it in the U.S. and apparently cannot see a military or homeland security role for it). When a government builds or expands an airport with taxpayer money they are merely just building or expanding an airport, but if a train station or rail route needs work it is always one of those evil "subsidies" that seems to have to cover the cost. Many major U.S. airports were partly or nearly fully Federally funded, but it was rarely described as a subsidy, but rail needs are always the exact opposite. If a short one-lane highway is turned double-lane the 100-million dollar price tag is an "investment" funded by government, but if a rail line were added or revamped it would always be described as yet another subsidy. This is all partly derived from the myth that users (drivers) actually pay and cover the costs for roads they use, when they only really pay for half of them - and the rest is made up for in taxes, and those taxes are not the only ones needed for roads and road-related expenses (just for the tar and cement, mostly - nothing else that follows from that or is directly tied to mass transit by streets). The 10+ year old U.S. Gov' studies (OTA) show that car and truck drivers in the country receive -and the remarkable part is these are 1994 numbers- nearly a trillion dollars a year in total-range subsidies. It is hard to find a single newspaper article on this. But, easy to find articles on the billion-dollar Amtrak subsidy, as by journalists it is almost always treated as though it were a major expense (the FAA alone costs much more), it is a fraction of the subsidies paid to Boeing just to play their part in a system loaded with taxpayer subsidies, and it is not as if every one of the those cool half a billion dollar space shuttle trips were funded by someone other than taxpayers. It doesn't automatically make rail a brilliant idea for every country and for every need, but the press and many political parties don't want to play fair with the math, and it really puts rail possibilities in an unfortunate position.

Subsidies are no myth

Not to belabour the use of the word, I beg to differ with your opinion as to the definition, whereas,my comments were in relation to United Kingdom and to a certain extent Via Rail in Canada. I don't know anything about Amtrak. I do know that Canadian National (C.N.) have emerged as a major Rail concern, not the least because of some major acquisitions in the U.S. The business they are in is the business of moving Freight not Passengers. A good stock to own by the way.

SUBSIDIES, POLITICS: RAIL VS THE OIL AND CAR LOBBIES

mjt:

The subsidies issue aside, the main enemy of rail are the oil and car companies. An apocryphal story exists of how the oil and car barons of the early 20th century started buying up the tram and street car companies, dismantling them, paving over the rails, to remove a viable alternative to local transport.

When I travel to europe that is one of the things that always strike me. Over there, people are not as exposed to the vagaries of gasoline prices. I have NEVER rented a car, or used a taxi. The subway takes you to the airport (Paris, Madrid) or an express bus shuttle (Lisbon). All fairly inexpensive (compared to Taxis) with frequent service.

Florida had a proposal to build a bullet train to travel between Florida's major cities. The people voted the amendment in, but of course JEB Bush killed it (no comment needed regarding his family's infamous ties to the oil companies) with the help of Florida Car Dealers. They managed to repeal the constitutional amendment while keeping the project stalled for over 6 years!!!!!!

read this old article:

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/COLUMNISTS0...

A decent documentary

On buying up street car cos.

From a comment I made years ago:
I would like to give the US government credit for way of "helping third world countries" but I think they just stole the concept from General Motors. In the 1950s, General Motors decided to get into the bus business in a big way. But, it needed customers. So, it bought controlling interests in the transportation of many major US cities (Los Angeles being a example where it had an excellent trolly system, much on private right of way). The now GM-controlled transportation systems conducted "studies" to show buses were better. GM sold the buses to the cities, got private right of ways sold off and then sold their interests in the transportation systems.

I call that buy, rape, divest. It was very successful. Of course, they were eventually found guilty of doing this because the US judicial system works. GM ended up paying a $5 fine.

This is documented in a book by Barry Commoner--I have it but forget which one. I believe it was 27 major cities.

killing railways with property taxes

The USA used to have the finest railways in the world. But that was prior to construction of the Interstate Highway System (which began in the late 1950s).

One thing that most Americans don't know is that in the USA, the railway industry has been nearly bankrupted by property taxes. Unlike freeways, railways are subject to property taxation (freeways, being government-owned, are not taxed). Most railway companies in the USA had double-tracking in years past, but ripped out this capacity and went to single-tracking to lower their property taxes.

Furthermore, railway companies seldom install electric trains, because the overhead high-voltage lines would increase their property taxes. Most US trains (even freight) actually have electric engines, but these are run by an onboard generator which burns diesel. This is done just to avoid property taxes - it would be cheaper in the long-run for them to go all-electric were it not for the tax issue.

Trucking companies almost completely avoid property taxes since they don't own the roads. Of course, they use lots of diesel - about 8 times as much per unit of freight (based on weight) when compared to trains. High diesel prices are now killing them, and a lot of freight has recently shifted to rail. The problem is that the railway companies have no capacity for expansion - the single-tracking system is totally bogged down now, with about a two-month waiting list to send a freight container by rail. Amtrak has to share these same tracks with the freight companies, which has led to awful delays - passenger trains traveling cross-country are often 8 to 10 hours late arriving at their destinations. Years of under-investment shows.

Ironically, the USA has recently been under-investing in maintenance of the Interstate highways, and it also shows - potholes, bridge collapses, and so on. Expect more in the future as the USA spirals towards bankruptcy and Third World status.

between Seattle and Tacoma..

running up to Everett, I believe, one can still see the right of way from the Interurban train line. It was ripped up, and replaced with I-5, now they are spending hundreds of millions on some POS lite rail that covers about 1/4 of the area the Interurban did. Tacoma had a trolley system that spread about 25 miles ending in Spanaway the little burg I grew up in, Tacoma's shiny new toy train; 1.6 miles-$80.4 Million dollars- what a ride.

"General Motors targeted over 100 other U.S. cities through its front company, National City Lines."

GM was the instigator but other companies were in on this fraud;

"Standard Oil of California, Mack Truck, Phillips Petroleum and Firestone Tire would join GM in backing this venture."

http://www.culturechange.org/issue10/taken-for-a-ride.htm

GM started and controlled Greyhound as well,our whole transportation industry taken over by the oil mafia.

-Doug

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