The NAME GAME

Submitted by Daddy-YO on 5 May, 2008 - 12:38.

USA is an abbreviation. We all know what it stands for, though for some it helps to spell it out, United States of America. Its citizens are Americans. Sure it's located in the hemisphere known as the Americas (grazie Signor Vespucci). But who else has America in the name of their country? Though many could, none but those from USA call themselves Americans: not Canadians, nor Mexicans (see note), nor Brazilians, nor Cubans, nor Nicaraguans, etc. - unless they have dual citizenship.

Those who use (g)USANOS must realize it's offensive. Is that their intent?

It's official now, what was Venezuela is now the República Bolivariana de Venezuela. So what do you call its citizens? What they call themselves, I'd guess.

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Note: It's Estados Unidos de Mexico, but they call themselves Mexicanos, and so do we. I don't see anyone calling them EUMANOS. If you did only you would know what you're saying. Isn't the point communication? ("Poor Mexico: so far from God, so close to the USA.")

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Have you guys heard?

Nino Bravo's song "AMERICA" - it's in Spanish though.

I am Latinoamericano from Nicaragua.

Note

It isn't "Estados Unidos de Mexico", it's Estados Unidos Mexicanos, there's a difference,

Al

Again, thanks Alra

You're right. I need to edit more often, check facts.

Collective Noun?

Ok, you like Americans. But, what about a collective noun. We have Europeans for people from Europe. We have Africans for people from the African continent. We have Asians for people from Asia. Seems like we need a collective noun for people from the Western Hemisphere.

You could saw "westerner" but that is commonly used to refer to people from the Western U.S. Any ideas?

Dixietraveller says it all, below

Our friend in China pretty well covers it.

The terms North Americans and South Americans leaves the hemisphere divided, but are commonly used collective terms. Of course, Central Americans are the most important Americans here.

Three options

Essentially, IMHO, there are three options:

(1st Option) There is already an adjective or noun referring to the Americás or someone from the Americás and that word according to dictionaries is "American." There are no two separate words to refer to someone from the US and from the Americas. As I've suggested elsewhere, accept the fact that ambiguity is often a fact of life in language. Within the US, if someone says that he or she is from Washington, it may refer to Washington State, Washington, DC, or even Washington,Georgia. Again, I will mention too that Georgia can refer to either the US state or the former Soviet Georgia, and to my knowledge, few people complain about the name "Georgia" in English being used to refer to both. In Europe, only the Greeks seem to have a problem with with ethnic and national linguistic ambiguity with the use of the word "Macedonian." As the speaker (or writer), however, you do have the option of at least attempting to be as unambiguous as possible. It may require more words or even sound a little strange or awkward, but usually you do have the option of being as specific and precise as possible.

(2nd Option) Coin a new (inoffensive) word to refer to someone from the US. Elsewhere I jokingly suggested words like "Unitedstater" (or just "Ustater" or "Usaer." I say jokingly because use of the word "American" to refer to someone from the US is by far the most often intended and entrenched meaning (>90% of the time??). Coining a new term to replace that usage (not only in English but most other languages) is simply not realistic.

(3rd Option) Coin a new word to replace the least used usage, i.e., someone from or an adjective referring to both the Americas. This option is much more viable since this usage is by far the least used and stands a far greater chance of becoming universally adopted by the literati followed by the general public. I will even at this point somewhat seriously suggest using the root word "Americás," to form the new word "Americasian" (a la Eurasian but not to be confused with "Amerasian.") to refer to both continents or to someone from those continents. While this does have the major disadvantage of being confused in English with "Amerasian," (or even with the proposed word "Americasian" to refer to an Asian-American) it would be easily distinguishable in Spanish: "americasano" versus "americano." (And please, no more "ano" jokes! :-) One could even alter the English spelling somewhat to "Americasean" to avoid somewhat the possible confusion with "Amerasian."

Realistically, however, I suspect that one should simply accept the frequent ambiguity of language.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Americasian

O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.

I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)

I am not sure you can be so linear

Russians in Asia do not think of themselves as Asians and neither do most others......at least not off the top of the head. Likewise for Algerians. Hard to think of them as Africans.

I agree that there is more to america than the USA and am careful to make that distinction. I always thought Mexicans and Canadians would take umbrage with me usurping all of America for the USA. But they don't seem to notice and often do it that way themselves. Down here I use the term NorteAmericano and that works.

So, I think Americans works, mainly for the reasons Daddy-O gave.

ATZ

Hey ATZ, man, ...

... that's Daddy-yo. YO = why naught(?) But I mainly tack it on for the sense of 'yo' as myself, or the 'self' (or soul) as Octavio Paz uses it in his writings, which strongly influenced me to go South.

It fascinates me how little 'yo' is used in Castilian Spanish, as compared to the constant 'I' in the ego-centric English world. Estoy cansado, perdoname.

Dare I say it: Latinos are more self-less.

Excuse me

We used Yo in Egg Harbor too.....ATZ