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Reconaissance Part Deux (Climatizing)Submitted by eldoc on 1 May, 2008 - 01:53.
I didn't plan on spending long in Managua. I was going to meet with a couple organizations, a stop by the lawyer's office, and take in a little Pollo Campero before heading to Granada. I had developed an obsession for Pollo Campero several years back in Costa Rica. After decades of Mexican KFC, El Campero was a welcome change. Mexican KFC is nothing like the coronel. They completely changed the recipe. I understand that they don't have Uncle Sam's genetically modified chickens with pumped up pecs to give a juicy 1/2 pound breast (how do they do that? I probably don't want to know), but the 11 herbs and spices shouldn't be open to local variation. Unfortunately, El Campero is subject to the same problem. I once drove from Tijuana to LA just to get some Campero for a poker game (of course, LA has everything!!). They changed the recipe! And no dados de queso! And I had to drive into the belly of the beast. Downtown LA! What a disappointment. Like Fearless Leader once said: "There's a saying in Texas. Fool me once, shame on you. But you fool me, I can't be fooled again. . ." Anyways, enough about food. I'll get to that in Granada. We whizzed through Managua in Francisco's taxi. Everyone drove as I had expected; like Tijuana without all the gunfights. They really use the horn a lot here. I'll have to fix mine if I bring the car. In TJ, honking your horn can get you killed. In Managua, it's apparently some sophisticated form of communication. Long beeps, short beeps, almost like Morse Code. “Here I come careening at full speed into the roundabout! Make some room!” Followed by the chirpy responses, “hijo de puta!” Franciso maneuvered his ride into an inch of the chicken buses and the SUVs like he'd done it a few times before, so I didn't feel he needed my input. I put on my seatbelt and tried not to look. I didn't want to be screaming and waving my arms in terror every 30 seconds, so I just turned to Francisco and started chatting. It turns out he's Nicaraguan. I know that doesn't come as a surprise to most of you, but at that moment it occurred to me that he was really Nicaraguan. He's been here, living all that stuff I've been reading about, watching on TV, hearing about in Silvio Rodriguez songs. His father died in the war. He came of age just as the war ended. He's lived, and worked, and suffered, and partied and gotten married, and had kids, and bought a cab, all while that newsreel has been running so far away. How does he manage to laugh so much? I'm still trying to figure these people out. You see, the few Nicaraguans I knew were back in the States. I only knew two Nicaraguan families and from where I was sitting they were really rich. Hardly the face of people escaping civil war. I guess they were just middle class by U.S. standards, but I came from a pretty humble background so they seemed rich to me. The thing that really confounded me was that they didn't work. None of them worked. They always had very elegant parties with lots of French wine. Their cars were never more than a couple years old. Their Christmas tree always had an entire department store under it, waiting to be unwrapped. Curiously though, they never had a job in the several years I knew them. This was in the 80s, so in hindsight I imagine that they were former oligarchs turned refugees, and all that wealth probably was acquired by methods I would now find deplorable, but you have to remember that I was failing Spanish at the time, so I had no idea what was going on. I imagined Nicaragua as some sort of Central American version of Luxembourg, with everyone sitting around drinking French wine and listening to music. I'm sure I could have found Nicaragua on a globe, but I'm equally sure that I wouldn't have been able to point it out on a map of Central America. It was too small and far away for me to care, so long as they didn’t fulfill Reagan’s prophecy of marching to Texas in 7 days. If they did, I’d have 7 days to brush up on the subject. I had a couple hours before my appointment, so I asked for the grand tour of Managua. We headed to old downtown Managua. I don't know why I expected to see skyscrapers, but Google Earth only gives you an overhead shot and everything looks like a skyscraper from above. Of course, the whole place had been leveled the same year I was born, so surely nobody would build skyscrapers anymore. The only skyscraper I saw was apparently abandoned. We headed to the National Cathedral, the one that was condemned by the earthquake. It was blazing hot and I still hadn't bought any shorts, but there were lots of shady trees and of course, Coca Cola. The Cathedral had a bright pink banner over the front proclaiming "2008! Año del Poder Ciudadano" while the Palacio Nacional had a big banner of Sandino proclaiming "estamos cumpliendo!" I wonder if they are. I've grown extremely cynical in my middle age. Big pictures with slogans, frankly, always give me the willies (unless it's Willie Nelson. For that Willie, we make an exception). Granted, I've spent the last decade looking at the diabolical grin of a known sociopath and drug trafficker staring at me from every billboard, light post, overpass and bumper in Tijuana (not to mention the back windows of every Chevy Suburban in Baja California). He lost his bid for governor, but many of the posters are still up. There are so many, I'm sure they'll be seeing that mug in Tijuana still plastered around town for years to come. I won't be seeing it because I'll be seeing Sandino. At least it's someone to admire, though I could do without all the advertising. Francisco was giving me the tour of the various monuments. I could tell he was quite proud of the history. He was well versed on the names, the dates, the events. I was wondering about the feelings. Everyone seems so nice, but considering the history, I would expect everyone to be seething below the surface. Everyone has been so nice, but how can that be? I know, everyone I spoke to said they were the nicest people in the Americas, but let's face it, I AM A GRINGO, if only in Passport. Somehow I think my own tribe would at least be bitter, if not worse. I know old people that still hate the Japanese back in the States. I just don't sense that here. This is the first time I've traveled in a long time where I didn't feel the need to tell people I'm Canadian (if you’re a gringo, I highly recommend that tactic when traveling in Europe; it will save you a lot of grief). I wasn't really absorbing all the info. I figured I'll learn it all from Wikipedia. It was nice to see the actual stones, though. The real life Managua, Nicaragua. It wasn't pretty. I didn't expect it to be. However, it wasn't what I expected it to be either. I really expected something closer to Guatemala City (thank goodness it wasn’t), but the lack of pedestrian traffic was a little disheartening. We zipped up to the park on the hill (I know, I still have to learn all the names, but I told you I wasn't planning on being in Managua long). The one with the big silhouette of Sandino. I knew it was Sandino because I could tell by the hat. Salman Rushdie once wrote that Sandino had become his hat. Well, it certainly helped me get oriented when I saw a billboard. The park, though obviously important to the history of Nicaragua, I could really have done without. The view was lovely, until I remembered that I was standing on top of Samoza's torture chambers. I guess you have to keep it alive to remind people how low mankind can sink, but hopefully someday that won't be necessary and they can raze the place. Plant some flowers or something. More striking than that was the view behind the park. No, not the laguna. Beyond that. Francisco said "that's the new downtown." The streets were wide and I think I picked out an Office Depot and a Carl's Jr. Yeah. Definitely don't want to spend too much time in Managua. But this is where the paperwork gets done! Time to shuffle off to see Paul Tiffer. I originally had an appointment with another attorney (who shall remain nameless) that someone else had recommended. However, after a month of communicating and planning my trip, he hadn't answered my 3rd email in 3 days. Oh well. Nicaliving all raved about Paul Tiffer, so I called him earlier that morning. He made the appointment and I strolled into his office right on time. Ahhhh, air conditioning. I had been out for several hours and didn't realize it was so hot. I hope some of this sweat evaporates. I look very unprofessional. Let me state up front that I haven't gotten anything officially filed, so I don't know how effective Dr. Tiffer is, but he certainly gave me a good vibe. I'll be back to see him and I'll rave like the rest of you if he can get all my paperwork through on the first try. We had a very constructive conversation on all the legal things I need to do, along with what I considered to be even more constructive conversation on life in general in Nicaragua. Schools for the kids, commuting, nice towns to live, and handguns. He knew his handguns. Back in Mexico, only the crooks and the cops (synonyms, really) have firearms. Here, I was getting tips on where to buy ammo from my lawyer. I ate up much more of his time than any free consultation should take. I really needed to eat something. I had been doing nothing but drinking kosher Coca Cola the whole day. This lack of high fructose corn syrup is gonna put me into a coma! Paul and I parted ways and I headed out into the blast furnace called Managua. Francisco was there parked in the shade, waiting patiently. Apparently this was rush hour, as there were an inordinate number or people riding on the outside of the busses, a sign of peak usage from Olongapo City to Calcutta to Ciudad Juarez. I was in desperate need to check my email (desperate meaning at least 4 hours had transpired) so we inched our way back to Don Quixote. At this pace I was able to take in some of the geography. I located a Pollo Campero near home, and Francisco pointed out that this is where the mariachi were in the evening. Where there's mariachi, there's tequila, and then there's me! Wait a minute. Is there tequila? Or is there rum? Last time my wife and I decided to drink mojitos and dance salsa, we were both praying at the porcelain altar the next day. I swore off the stuff. Just thinking about it caused nausea. Well, if I'm going to live here, I'd better get my liver trained. I went back to my room and put on a fresh set of clothing. I don't mind changing 5 times a day, as long as it is for a good cause. Live mariachi is always a good cause. I responded to a few emails from "back in the world" and headed out to make trouble. At my age, making trouble means eating food that every course in medical school taught me to avoid, then drinking. It's only really trouble for me. I headed to the Pollo Campero I spotted earlier. About a 2km walk, which shouldn't be a big deal to this ex-marine, but I never had to go on a forced march through an oven (not a humid one, at least). Just press on, I told myself. Sooner or later my African genes will remember. No matter how bad it gets, it's still better than Breckenridge in February. Press on. I picked up a two piece meal with the dados de queso (the way nature intended) and contemplated the scene outside. The mariachis were getting set up as the sun slowly disappeared over the horizon. Nothing like watching a trumpeter empty out his spit valve while you're enjoying dinner. It wasn't as good as I remember anyway, or maybe they use a different recipe than in Costa Rica. Oh corporate franchises, you always seem to disappoint me! Why is it that the only franchise product in the world that is consistent is a crappy McDonalds hamburger? I decided that I would have to try the famous Flor de Caña. If I can't stand the local drink, I'll probably need to reconsider that job offer in Uruguay. I went in to the bar across the street (again with the names, there was a casino at the same intersection if that helps). The mariachi started up and the shots arrived. I have to admit, the 7 year old stuff tasted more like whiskey than rum. I can get used to this, but not that night. A couple shots and a beer and I was out the door. I was, after all, traveling alone. It's not wise to get wasted and sing Volver Volver in front of strangers. I cruised out on to the street and headed back to base. Where was it again? Wait, that street looks familiar, though it was light out when I left. Let's hope those famous Nicaraguan crimes rates are as low as the CIA says they are. Back at the Quixote I had left the AC on full blast. I walked into my room and I was back in Breckenridge. A noisy Breckenridge, with no snowboard. I'm sure I felt the sweat on my back freeze up. It literally gave me chills within 10 seconds of being in the room. I turned the AC off and enjoyed the silence. That was the last time I used AC in Nicaragua. I guess the rum woke up the African genes. I left my room door open to let all that cold air out and grabbed a Coke from the lobby fridge. I went outside for a game of checkers with the security guard. There was a nice breeze blowing from somewhere; I didn't know which way was north, but it smelled like the ocean, or was it the lake? The palm trees made a gentle hiss as they swayed in the breeze. Airplanes made their way into Sandino International as I contemplated the day ahead. Tomorrow I would head to Granada. Then I would know if this trip was the right thing to do, or just a silly pipe dream. I hope my research was correct because I really like this place so far.
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That's easy to answer, ... Canada
But you told us already, so maybe I wasn't being fair.
P.S. How do you say 'Semper Fe' in Inuit?
hey!
SEMPER-FI brother! I am heading to Nic next week for a couple of weeks, gonna go to San Juan del Sur, finally since I have never been there!
OORAH!
Watch our for those sand flies in SJDS... the ones in the bars!
Semper Fi.
WHAT'S UP DOC?
It's a pleasure reading your posts: delightfully personal, yet discrete ("hookers - icky") and honest (I cannot doubt you're living it and telling it like you see it). And welcome. NL can become dry at times, overwhelming readers with informatics, and, God forgive me for using the four-letter word, news.
Jason, I've got to say that I love your bio X-ray photo. Looks like a spectral equivalent of Munch's The Scream. Is that a crying &/or screaming child in front of its mother?
Though Tijuana has the reputation of Sodom & Gomorrah combined & modernized (even as a kid I heard about the donkey shows), I have since heard good things about the city & its beaches from fellow travelers. Now with so many narco-trafficers shooting it out on the main drag, it seems clear to me that its location, 'Baja' must refer to the Underworld.
You say, "considering the history, I would expect everyone to be seething below the surface" That's interesting. Many Nicas don't see what we do about us. I've found people in Nicaragua divided, but not bitter, about the Somoza-Sandino-Contra wars. Today, as many seem to see US influence as positive, as see it in a negative light. There are few that don't have an opinion (not like the apathy in the States). What you hear depends on who you hang out with (con quien andas). Besides, as everywhere, life goes on.
Also you advise, "to tell people I'm Canadian (if you’re a gringo, I highly recommend that tactic when traveling in Europe...)" I'm an American and not ashamed to own up to it in Europe or anywhere, grief or not. We helped the Europeans out of two world wars they started. When we began all our socialist programs (New Deal, etc.), we didn't create the Nazi party. Christian Europe has more than a thousand year history of fighting the Moslems. Sure we're too heavy handed at times, and though it doesn't excuse it, what world power hasn't sinned against humanity at one time or another?
With your profession, your fluency & adaptability ("I tend to absorb the local accent after a few conversations"), and camouflage ("I'm that odd shade of brown that helps me look like a local almost anywhere in the Americas.") it reads like your running the ideal ticket for getting to know first-hand all of Latin America. Enjoy Nicaragua!
Thanks for the feedback
Thanks for the feedback, Daddy-Yo. I haven't written in many years. I had forgotten how much fun it can be.
Regarding disguising one's self as a Canadian, it isn't a tactic used out of shame. It's a simple game of odds. Most people have never met a Canadian, and the encounters they may have had were most likely very pleasant (they're just pleasant people). People tend to know that Canada exists, they just don't know anything about it. Nobody has been invaded by them, so you run less of a risk of running into someone who's been shot at by a Canadian. When you mix alcohol and strangers (bearing in mind that this tactic is mainly for use in bars where sporting events are being shown), it's a real buzzkill hearing all the griping about Fearless Leader, Corporation X, or how a smart-bomb missed it's target and landed in their parent's bedroom.
The more alcohol involved, the more the social graces melt away. And you DON'T want to be the gringo at the U.S.A. vs. [insert local country here] game. Better off staying home and reading a book. But Canada? They never beat anyone, ever! ... well, except maybe in Hockey, but I don't frequent hockey-playing countries anymore anyway (BRRR!). I've found that saying I'm Canadian can get the conversation beyond the "where are you from" question, and on to the "what'll you have" question.
Be that as it may, I never felt the need to use it in Nicaragua. These people definitely are different. However, in Europe (you'd think the French would cut us some slack), South America, and anywhere in Africa, you're better off Canadian. They never met a Canadian they didn't like. The polls are split about Gringos. It's not worth wasting a drink on, and there are usually poolsticks and darts nearby. I tend to find myself in bars that get surly around 11 p.m. Your results may vary.
Here's a question, I met a lot of ex-pats in Granada, most of them European. It seems the Gringos are all further north. Is there a particular reason for that other then the climate? I'm settling in Granada, but I really want to learn about Bluefields.
Bluefields
Hi there.
Yes I am also a canadian from bc
I have lived the last 5 months in Bluefields!
If you don,t mind being almost the only white person in town you will do OK!
I visited Granada and the Corn Islands.All very nice especially when you do watersports.Don,t know much about Granada.Also,I never did swim in Bluefields and never will! The water at the wharft is just simply to dirty! Living in Bluefields is alright.Found little or no trouble at all.Being me,I had trouble only when I was asking around because I don,t speak spanish!!It seems nobody there wants to speak english and yet...I know most of them do!!Not even the police or the touristoffice!!!Yes its a shame,but then that is the way it is.After a while I quit going shopping and left it to my friend(a local) because I got cheated on price to many times...lol So,there you have some info...hope it helps you Have a good day Friskyfrolic
Bluefields English
Probably the reason they speak to you in Spanish is because they don't understand your English. They speak English, but it is not what we are used to. I have the same problem here, one guy I talk to all the time thinks I am talking some crazy language & does not understand me so he always speaks to me in Spanish.
It takes awhile & you can start to pick up the Creole English, I love to hear people talk it, you can only pick out about 1 in 5 words at first, but eventually you pick up more.
Patois
is the language of the Caribbean mainly, although I have never been to Bluefields or Belize for that matter, I imagine it's the same. From Jamaica to T@T to Guyana where my wife is from, there is a common thread which is universal throughout and fun to be a part of, play a few games of dominoes in the rum shop for a time and you'll get the hang of it. Go watch a Cricket match when the "Goady" West Indians are playing..except for Chanderpaul,or when Brian Lara is at bat of course.
Thanks Frisky
You're the first one from Bluefields I've heard from. Once I get settled in, I'm gonna come out there and have a look. The history of the place fascinates me. Are there any decent sailing/diving establishments out there?
And don't worry. I'm too brown to be the only white guy in town. Central American camouflage!
Let me know how hurricane season goes.
"So the Lone Ranger and Tonto are riding out on the prarie. Suddenly, they are surrounded by 1,000 Souix warriors. The Lone Ranger says to Tonto, "we're in trouble now." Tonto replies, "what do you mean "we", white man?"
-As retold by Jackie the Joke Man.
I think everyone is reading too much into this
Playing Canadian isn't a major component of my life. You see, I've been traveling since I was a little kid, first as a Navy brat, then as a Marine, now as a physician. I like to get around, but I prefer not to have to kick some drunk's ass when I'm enjoying a drink. It's mostly done on instinct. There are many situations where being a gringo is not conducive to a good time. Being Canadian is an easy way to get on with the conversation. Like I said, nobody hates Canada.
As far as the being proud of where you're from part, I really don't care. Though I'm a U.S. citizen, I've lived most of my life on the outside looking in. I don't see the usefulness, for myself or the world, in being "proud" of any country. Very few cultures of the world consider pride to be a virtue. There is a reason for that. It's more harmful than useful. In an age where the other side of the world is less than 24 hours away, it seems rather primitive as well. Tribalism is for barbarians.
Like Bob Marley said, I beleive in world citizenship and rule of international morality. Maybe my grandkids will see it once people get over themselves.
Thanks for all the comments. It's nice to know someone is reading this.
Scotland The Brave
Just say you are from Scotland. After all we invented the modern world. Apart from that you will never have to stand for a round of drinks. No one would imagine you doing so anyway.
It might work, but . . .
I can do the accent, but I'm too brown to make it convincing! Besides, we all know, if it's not Scottish it's CRAP!
Pride is not the issue
But if it were, I find little wrong with it...nor do people of all cultures. Look it up. Aside from the strict biblical definition of it, pride is something that shows respect for one's self and for others and is a feeling that shows you are connected to your fellow humans.
The issue is not being truthful. Honesty if you like. You against that too? sounds like you have a lot of practice.ATZ
Forget I said anything. This is all too tangential.
I think we're using different definitions of pride, but I have no desire to change your feelings; I'm only expressing my own. I've seen all too often the end result of pride, and it rarely involves being connected to your fellow humans, unless you've already managed to convince yourself that the other guys aren't human.
It's all just silly tribalism as far as I'm concerened. My dad can beat up your dad, and all that. If you take tribalism to its logical and natural conclusion (as happens all too often) it's rarely a pretty picture... except in Canada (man, they really gonna make out on this global warming). I don't have a favorite sports team either. I guess I'm defective. Banish me to Elba until I'm rehabilitated.
As for honesty, I feel I am entitled to respond in any way I choose to drunk strangers in far away watering holes. The rules are different in bars.
However, In the spirit of goodwill and accepting that I'm the newb here, I shall concede. Accepting your definition of pride (over the objections of the teachings of the Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Taoists and Zarathustrians, all of whom repeatedly warn against pride), and in compliance with your silly honesty-in-bars rule (you'll have to teach me how to play poker under your system), I will honestly say that I have pride in all 6.8 billion of us (except Bill Belichick). El pueblo unido and all that. One really big pueblo. I see no benefit in breaking us up into smaller groups. No benefit for most of us anyway. If I'd just told you I was Canadian, we would have already been drinking by now, but when in Rome...
I see the world through the lens of my own experience.
Your results may vary.
Not to belabor a dead horse, but
Not to belabor a dead horse, but just a reminder to all readers here not to conflate "pride" as a reasonable self-respect with "pride" as hubris (excessive or even arrogant pride) which most religions refer to with its inevitable (usually) retribution.
O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.
I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)
I have never found the need to use it
In 20 years on the road from Latin America to the backwaters of Asia.....and Europe thrown in for good measure. I guess I would if I sensed it were a critical juncture in my health status.....but that has never been the case. I think you have to give people more credit as they distinguish people from a country. The jerk Swede is more disliked than an American who understands where he is and likes being there for the place and people, not as an altrenative to going to a zoo and looking at the creatures. They can tell in a heartbeat. Exceptions are there...mostly in Europe, but then you just have to kick their ass. ATZ
I hear where you're coming from, Doc
But I'm still more comfortable being who I am.
Suppose that guy in the seedy bar who asks where you're from is a demented Canadian bully? And he exposes your lie. If it's in Latin America, actually there's a good chance you'll have some ex-GIs, latinos, in there with you to help. Maybe a true blue ex-marine, like cyanstorm. Hell, even in Europe you'd find ex-GIs who'd guard your back.
I got into a great argument in León with a German over Iraq. What could I say, only the truth as I saw it. It went around for hours (he was drinking my FdC; I invited him). It never got nasty. And I'm proud to say I never brought up the Nazis (he was young), though we talked a lot about the Jews & the Palestinians. (I defend the existence of Israel.) He gave me his address ins Deutchland. Europeans are so very CIVILIZED, you see.
Your birth country is part of your identity, who you are. No single citizen is responsible for all their country does. But they can vote the bastard out who does them wrong. Right? Well, not everywhere.
Sure, I'm a pale-faced gringo. There are places I don't go. There are parts of a city (almost any big city in the Americas) I won't go into, especially at night. But I like cheap beer and the cheaper the beer, usually the rougher the neighborhood. On rare occasions, a drunk would see me, as an American, and figure I'm to blame for his miserable lot in life. I'd listen, sympathize, then silence him by asking about his family and whether he was drinking the food off their table.
Canadian Bully?
From the people who brought us Terrance and Phillip? Say it aint so!
Picture this, Doc
On the barstool, next to the dude you just told you're Canadian, is Dudley Dooright on steroids. (His gonads have shrunk to the size of shelled peanuts.) He's drinking FdC Extra Lite like water, by the glassful, straight. That blonde hair and cleft-chin are unmistakably Anglo-Canadian. Gone is that toothy, Colgate smile. A wicked sneer underlines a pinched face. You can barely see his pupils beyond the squint as he asks, "So yer Canadian, eh?"
Yes, he's one of few in the 30-odd million Northlanders, actually one of only 12 Canadians without a sense of humor. Tough luck, Doc.
I'll Take Those Odds
Somehow I think I have a better chance of running into a surly Frenchman with a chip on his shoulder than an angry Dudley Dooright on steroids. Any Canadian that big is busy working as a lumberjack (I cuts down trees, I skip and jump, I go to the lavatory . . .).
Besides, he IS Canadian. It's not like I can't kick his ass!
Here's one for all you acuracy in media types. Here's a partial list of the countries I have lived and the length of time I lived there.
Japan - 3 years, Philippines - 3 years, Germany - 2 years, U.K. - 3 years, U.S.A. - 3 years, Mexico - 17 years
Where am I from again?
Nobody really cares
Enough about how bold brave and smart you are. You said it all already.....several times. ATZ
Grumpy!
No more FdC for you.
No, nobody really cares...really
ATZ
Pleasure to Meet the Town Representative
Based on the number of responses, I disagree that NOBODY cares. It would be reasonable to assume that you meant to say that YOU "really don't care...really," (that little pause was the most brilliant piece of literature you've produced thus far. BRAVO!).
But really, you can't expect me to know that you don't care when you keep responding. Help a brother out here! If you don't care, click another link. I'm sure you have far more important things to do on a Sunday afternoon than respond to blogs you don't care about. It sure would take all the confusion out of it and you won't come off sounding like such a creep.
Please forgive my breach of netiquette. In the future, I will make every effort to only write about subjects that you care about. Any requests, paisano?
I care
I'm a Canadian but I'm no superpatriot or nationalist. Nor am I anti-American. Nonetheless, I resent the fact that many U.S. citizens masquerade as Canadians when they travel overseas. You have no right to do that, even if you claim to be pro-Canadian. Canadian citizenship is our birthright, not something foreigners can dress up in and throw aside like a raincoat when it suits their purposes.
Canadians are welcomed around the world because of they way they welcome immigrants and refugees (except perhaps in parts of Quebec), are perhaps the most racially tolerant country in the developed world, make human rights a priority, and are always open to negotiating peace rather than going to war. I'll be the first to admit that Canada has a lot to answer for in the way it treats minorities (especially native people). But for most immigrants who find refuge in Canada, it is a paradise of free speech and thought compared to where they come from.
These are conscious decisions contemporary Canadians have made, not some freak of history. In other words, we've earned our reputation.
You have done nothing to earn this reputation and so when you masquerade as a Canadian you are taking something that does not belong to you. If you want to gain the benefits that Canadians experience when they travel abroad, you should become a landed immigrant in Canada or voluntarily donate a share of your taxes to Canada. Until you do that, you are nothing more than a thief -- you are taking something that doesn't belong to you.
Your attitude that it is no big deal to falsely claim Canadian citizenship is contemptuous. it is a huge deal to me and all other Canadians that I know. You may not care of being proud of where you come from, but Canadians are. Unlike yourself, we don't think think that our citizenship is a "game". When you pretend to be Canadian rather than an American because it is "not worth wasting a drink on", what you are really saying is that Canadian citizenship is worth no more than the price of a drink in a bar.
A final note. The impression you leave me from your comments about this topic is that you are snide, arrogant and self-centered. In other words, you fit the malicious stereotype of being an "Ugly American." Maybe you are a lot more American than you think you are.
Then sue me
Do you people have any idea what a blog is?
Do you have ...
any idea about what a public forum is?
To whom are you referring contemptuously as "you people?" Every body who has posted here, or just the ones who challenge your viewpoints?
By the way, your post just reinforced the impression that are you are snide and arrogant.
If you have to ask, you still don't get it . . .
I was referring to you and ATZ, though he's obviously gone back to whence he came.
Challenge my viewpoints? I can hardly call your comment a challenge. It may have been an expression of your views wrapped in a feeble attempt to assert some control over my words, but that hardly constitutes a challenge. Considering the thousands of Canadians who masquerade as Americans every day (every gringo has met dozens of closeted Canadians in the U.S.), my strategy for avoiding bar room confrontations while visiting the various realms of my planet is hardly an offense. Every person on this planet is a decendant of someone who stole "their" country from someone else. That's nothing to be proud of, and I feel no obligation to perpetuate such a caveman mentality. When the North American Union is completed in a few years (and yes, it will go through), this whole conversation will be academic. You can sit around with the 40 people who will still be in Canada and reminisce about the good ol' days.
This is a blog. There is a distinction. BLOG, as opposed to FORUM. As in, a place for me to write about experiences, observations, etc. It's free form. If I wanted to discuss politics in a serious way, I would make a FORUM post. I can write whatever I feel in a blog. You can "challenge" whatever you want. You won't change who I am, what I do, or what I write. My contempt stems from people who feel they have a right to censor others (see your previous comment). I do not need your permission or your blessing to say or write anything, nor am I required to conform to your views of citizenship. Because of you, I will now have to say I'm Quebecois (by far the most interesting part of Canada anyway).
The snide and arrogant part is intentional (as was the contempt). It's called a writing style. It is an appropriate way to respond to those who feel they have somehow been endowed with the right to tell others what their rights are (the height of snide and arrogant). The fact that you think that this gives you some insight into who I am only reinforces the impression that you need to get out more.
By the way, the first sentence of your original comment is contradicted by every sentence after it.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson
Thou protest too much
And by the way, beyond being a man of great brillance and incalculable contributions to the formation of highest form of Government mankind has seen to date, and certainly a greater man that I, but Thomas Jefferson was a little bit of a hypocrit.
if you see someone who has lost their smile, give them one of yours
NORTH AMERICAN UNION?!?!?!
Canuck, you will stir up the gringos with that.... gringos have more guns than canucks.............
North American Union that IS scary....
eldoc wrote: "When the North American Union is completed in a few years (and yes, it will go through), this whole conversation will be academic."
cool, you made...
everything BOLD.
And we know where they keep the oil-sand ....
and the other "good" stuff
friendly warning, keep your doors locked
you know how we can be sometimes ;)
-Doug
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
Scary indeed
But it would appear that that is the way the wind is blowing. Nobody wanted NAFTA either, but there it is.
Hey Eldoc
Just popping my head out of the closet here as a Scotsman in Canada, welcome to N.L. How's it going? are you in Granada? What's the latest?
Howdy Dirtbag
Haven't you heard? No more Canuck for me! Apparently it's been copyrighted. I'm a Froggy now! A big brown Quebecois that barely speaks French.
I left Granada a couple weeks ago. I'll be returning for good in September. I'm putting together a little tale of the goings on, with the exciting surprise ending, but I've been too busy since getting back to the frozen north (Baja California) to be literary. Plus, I ran out of FdC so the words don't come as easily (hey, it worked for Hemmingway!). Hopefully, I'll have the next chapter by this weekend.
Stay Warm!
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"Those who are smart enough not to engage in politics are destined to be governed by those who aren't." ----Plato
"Plato was a bore." ----Nietzsche
"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal." ----Tolstoy
Touchy, touchy
Must have touched a nerve. Go ahead, write about yourself some more. It will make you feel better.
ATZ
Touchy, touchy
Must have touched a nerve. Go ahead, write about yourself some more. It will make you feel better.
ATZ
You're still here?
Glad to see you still care.
When you do something interesting, I'll write about you.
North American Union... not likely to happen soon if ever
Not unless the glorious US government decides it needs the water from the great lakes more than Canada needs the water. Even then it won’t be a union. It will be a military liberation (Sort of like Iraq) and slow infiltration of Canada. This will likely be accomplished by Americans pretending to be Canadians. The sneaky Yanks will be learning to say “eh” and to drink Molson Golden. (Come to think of it, the beer may be the real reason for the takeover since American brew is undrinkable.) The poor, now completely powerless Canadians will have to defend themselves by saying “Yous” instead of you, and they will be “Fixing to get ready” to fight the ugly Americans with their Newfie fishing fleets.
All this because some guy on Nicaragua Living is pretending to be Canadian and who knows what else he’s just pretending to be…
Enough already! :-)
Please continue your narrative! Many (most?) of us are enjoying your stories (regardless of whether we agree with every single opinion), and we are looking forward to your next sequel on your travels!
O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.
I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)
That's easy to answer, ... Canada
But you told us already, so maybe I wasn't being fair.
P.S. How do you say 'Semper Fe' in Inuit?
Semper Fi in Inuit?
Shrimp or fries?
Canada as a bully
[Ironic tongue-in-cheek alert!] Canada as a bully? Well, what about big ol' Canada picking on poor little ol' Denmark and almost going to war over Hans island! http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002506658_island20.ht...
I shudder to think how those savage brutes will "liberate" St. Pierre and Miquelon as soon as oil and gas are discovered there! ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Pierre_and_Miquelon
O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.
I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)
Canada's Really Big (by
Canada's Really Big (by Arrogant Worms)
When I look around me, I can't believe what I see it seems as if this country has lost its will to live the economy is lousy, we barely have an army but we can still stand proudly because Canada's really big we're the second largest country on this planet earth and if Russia keeps on shrinking, then soon we'll be first! (as long as we keep Quebec)
The USA has tanks, and Switzerland has banks they can keep them thanks, they just don't amount cause when you get down to it, you find out what the truth is, it isn't what you do with it, it's the size that counts most people will tell you that France is pretty large but you can put fourteen Frances into this land of ours! (it'd take a lot of work, it'd take a whole lot of work)
we're larger than Malaysia, almost as big as Asia we're bigger than Australia and it's a continent so big we seldom bother to go see one another but we often go to other countries for vacations our mountains are very pointy, our prairies are not the rest is kinda bumpy, but man do we have a lot! (we've got a lot of land, we've got a whole lot of land)
so stand up and be proud and sing it very loud we stand out from the crowd, cause Canada's really big. http://artists.letssingit.com/arrogant-worms-lyrics-canadas-really-big-8...
O quantum est in rebus inane! / A palabras necias, oídos sordos.
I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all mankind! The answer is twelve? I think I'm in the wrong building. - Peanuts (Charles M. Schulz)
Under the maple leaf
Yeah, big and mostly uninhabited except by moose, elk, caribou, bears, and lesser beasts. It's so damned cold, I'd bet they're pulling for global warming to be a real planetary fact. Not man-made, they're far too politically-correct to go against that tidal wave of opinion there. If you look at a map of its population, the country looks like Chile laid East-West.
I will quickly say, I've never met a Canadian I didn't like (to paraphrase Will Rogers). And I've met tons in the warmer climes, in S.Carolina, Florida, California, Mexico & Central America. (They're not stupid.) A fellow from Vancouver in CR told me that, after the capitalist exit from Hong Kong in 1997, they're considering changing the name to Hancouver. In Nicaragua, there are Canadians that own property in León and Poneloya, and I met a woman who bought an island by Granada in Lago Colcibolca.
And their pacifist history: they were a colony until 1867, so they did what they were told to, and they have continue to do their bit for the Allied Forces since. Besides, the Brits didn't exactly make love to the French to squeeze 'New France' down to the province of Quebec.
We may be peaceful and all
We may be peaceful and all that crap, but dont forget
who burned the White House and kicked the dam yankees
back across the border twice!
We had the public funeral on friday for the sixth soldier
from our city killed in Afganistan fighting the Taliban,
complete with parade and a lot of pride, tears and flags.
Just cause we only go to war when it makes moral sense to
Canadians does not make us pacifists, simply a people that
do not glorify war or go looking for excuses to have one.