Marriage
Submitted by AmandaLucho on Fri, 2005/05/27 - 16:47.
Im going to nicaragua for the first time for a month to visit my fiance who was deported. I would like to know where can you get a marriage license in managua?
Im going to nicaragua for the first time for a month to visit my fiance who was deported. I would like to know where can you get a marriage license in managua?
Spouse Visa
My personal experience....We were married in Esteli. Before I left, I got multiple certified copies of the marriage certificate. After completing paperwork, mailed to INS, my wife and her two kids received visas at the US Embassy in Managua in 3 months 27 days. The paperwork I sent to the visa section in Managua was neat, placed in a binder, indexed, I even received a call from the section manager complimenting me on my presentation.
Coming back together: the HARD part
Getting married here is not that hard, but of course requires official papers to get more "official" via authentications and other steps (lots of ink stamps, proving the papers are what they obviously are, and that the guy who says they are, does in fact work there, then one from that guy's boss, proving he is authorized to prove the first stamp and other guy and paper are legit, etc.!).
Coming back together is not so easy, even if you discount your deportation problem, which is a serious problem. You do need to have a permanent residence in the U.S., and prove you have and have had measurable income.
I know the hard way in that I watched a friend in University fail at her visa attempt for her fiance. Since she was in University, she was only working part time and not making much money. Since she lived with her parents at this time, the family she was required to show income for was 4 people (her, her fiance, her mother, her father), which was over $20k, and she had no tax evidence of that much. She had no savings to speak of and her parents pensions were small and not enough on their own for them to be the joint sponsor.
She ended up going to Argentina to live with her fiance, and they are still there (but, still happy), 8 years later, now. She still has no legal way to bring him here, since now her parents are dead and she does not have a U.S. residence or 3 years of tax data of over $16k per year. To come, legally, she would need for them to separate for maybe 2 years, while she sets up a life in the U.S., to bring him to the U.S.
Her situation might be rather unique, but so too might be yours. Many people, especially people who are not U.S. citizens, simply assume that if you marry a U.S. citizen, then you become a U.S. citizen, but nothing could be further from the truth. Citizenship, or just getting there legally on a marriage or fiance visa, is not simple, not cheap, and not automatic. As for the deportation matter, you might consider an immigration attorney fee for an hour, just to get an experts assessment as to how long you would need to wait because of that, and some basic data about what would likely happen regarding the possible visa issuance if you went to live with him for a while in Nicaragua.
You need to do some reading to put this in proper context, but here are the income numbers for people financially sponsoring a fiance or spouse (and I think the 125% is still in effect for all people except military personnel and some other select groups of people who get to use the 100% number): http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1327.html
Local paperwork
The attorney in Esteli had the paperwork done in two days, I came prepared, the wedding was on a Saturday, and I had stamped certificates from the Alcalde on Monday morning, when I had to head back to US.
well his sister has been in t
well his sister has been in the army for 10 years..She can sponser him. Shes a citizen. My boyfriend is still in the department of homeland security in miami awaiting deportation. I told him this was not going to be easy to get him back here. He signed some paper saying he willing to go back. Im wondering if he can get out of that and get a lawyer to try to stay. As soon as he got there a few days later he signed that paper. He said he didnt want to sit in that shit hole so he thought by signing that paper he would be sent back immediately but now hes been in there for 1 month. Im going to go see a lawyer to see if he can withhold the removal and try to stay even though he said that paper saying hes willing to go back....He only had an expired work permit from 2002..I need to find a good lawyer in miami that wont leave me broke... i can only afford $4000 at the moment no more..Thats all my savings..
Lower priority
Adult siblings are low on the priority, check with state dept web site for visa availability, according to classification.
You still need to sponsor
You still need to file an I-864 and sponsor your fiance, if it comes to that. If you do not meet the guidelines, then you can get someone to file a joint I-864 (maybe called 864A?). The person who files the joint sponsorship, must be able to meet the $ guidlines on their own (you and the joint person cannot combine incomes to meet the guidelines). Since the sister is not the spouse/fiance, unless things have changed, she would need to meet the 125%, and not get to use the 100% numbers. If his sister is married, or has children, or claims other people on her taxes, or lives with other people, she will need to count them, too, on the chart for the size of her family. Even if your joint sponsor meets the criteria, approval is not automatic, if you have been in the U.s. and have no tax data for recent years. If you have used any assistance in the last 3 years, other than unemployment, and are not working with a notarized employer letter as to your salary and the "permanence" of your position, the use of assistance will count against you. There are many factors to be considered though. Not everything might seem intuitive. I know a guy who was abroad for 1.5 years, got married, filed the spouse visa, and was placed on hold even though while he was not then employed and had never used any public assistance and had nearly $88k in mutual funds, he had no recent tax data and no permanent residence - he was living with his elderly mother. It took nearly 6 months more (a total of 23 months from filing the visa case to getting the visa stamp) to finally get the spouse visa. It will probably not matter if a lawyer gets the signature on this voluntary paper voided. He will probably be deported, one way or another, and the marriage or possibility of that will not change that.
Financials
A person other than the sponsor who agrees to provide financial support must sign a contract with INS that they will indeed come through.
No Flippancy.
I am not being flippant here and this comment is not directed at you.
Why do all of these people want to go to the USA.
For What?
Research Time
You really need to do some serious research at:
http://www.uscis.gov
The deportation creates a huge waiting period for you (measured in years, not months). On top of that, you need to ask why you wish to marry in Nicaragua (might cost more, and be more complicated).
Assuming you can handle the wait, a fiance visa is faster than a marriage visa (depends on your area of residence in the U.S. as that determine which government service center you use, and all have differing processing times), often being about 8 months vs 14 months for processing, so do not marry there, but in the States.
Assuming you can handle the wait and find a way to do this via a fiance visa, remember that you need to sponsor your fiance/spouse. If you do not have enough money to sit around a while, you might not have enough money to do this. You need tax returns from the previous 3 years indicating that you make 125% of the poverty level in the U.S. for your household size (household size, not only you and he, unless you live alone and are not claimed by anyone else on their U.S. taxes). In other words, even if there are only two of you, you need to be making money. If you live with relatives, these people count in your household even if you do not claim them on your tax returns, meaning you need evidence of even more income.
If you have not been working and earning at such a level, the only hope is that you have a lot of money sitting, invested (I think you now need 500% the differencial of what was made and what was needed, for eachof the last 3 years). All of this is explained in the immigration websites. The last resort is, if you do not have the job/$ is a joint sponsor, but even that has limitations, and it is a serious committment in that the person sponsored can not use most government services without the sponsor paying that money back + penalties (I think), and this is for 3 or 5 years or whatever it is, and divorce does not cancel the financial support agreement.
Sitting in Nicaragua until you are ready to try to come back is a bad idea, assuming you want to come back. You need to maintain a residence in the U.S. and be generating paid tax dollars to sponsor an immigrant, even if the immigrant is a spouse.
do you need a sponser with in
do you need a sponser with income for a fiance visa?? Im still in school. And i havent filed taxes. I've been working off the books while i've been in school. But either his sister who is in the army could sponser him or even my father..
The Visa Journey
Someone already answered your question, probably better than I could have. What was posted all looks the same as what I have been told and have read. I have since learned that there is at least one popular website about the frustrating visa process itself. It appears very useful in that the forms and different Embassies and waiting periods and roadblocks are all discussed there, and people offer a great deal of autobiographical information about how their case/petition is going or went. Here on nicaliving you are more likely to meet people who will marry and live in Nicaragua, than the other way around; you of course might do both due to the special circumstances of your fiance. This site is exclusively for people who will move and live in the U.S. The site is at:
www.visajourney.com
Related links =
Official link: How to bring a fiance to the U.S.: http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/fiance.htm
Official link: 129f fiance petition process: http://uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/i-129f.htm
Official link: Filing the Affidavit of Support (financial data): http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/affsupp.htm
Yes
While the financial papers submitted for the fiance and spouse visa differ in length, the basic employment and residence proof still exist. Howeever, it is easier to get a fiance visa than a spouse visa, because the fiance visa is really a special category of non-immigrant visa. I believe it is after one year there on the fiance visa that you/spouse must then pass the same $$$ test(s) people must pass for the normal spouse visa. For you, assuming you get by the deportation thing, the fiance visa will cost less initially, be easier to pass, and be faster (I have no seen numbers for the U.S. Embassy in Nicaragua but in Guateamala they claim 180 days or so for a fiance visa processing, and over 400 days for a spouse visa processing). Using the fiance visa also allows you and your fiance to both find work before the big later interview in the States. A relative is the only safe bet for a joint sponsor. Few questions would be asked if a parent or sibling did this, especially if the joint sponsor parent and the other fiance have met in person, or really know each other. If you have never paid taxes, and are not working at the time of the submission of your financial papers, they will surely ask about this, even if a parent does the joint sponsorship. They might also ask who paid for school, related things, and everything else. Since my guess is it will take over 2 years for you to straighten this out (assuming it is possible), a lot might depend on your life 2 years from now. For example, and you do not need to post an answer to such things, only think about them: will you have graduated by then? Will you have debt, like student loans or other things? Will you be living with your parents, or elsewhere? Will you have tax data by then, or a job with a salary over the 125% of your household size? Etc.
well i live in miami.. im a u
well i live in miami.. im a us citizen..The purpose for a fiance visa is for him to come and then we get married...How long is a fiance visa good for? im sorry for all the questions.. Immigration laws are a real bitch.
90 days
The alien fiance visa (technically, a "K-1" visa), is based on a I-129f visa petition, and is god for only 90 days. From the date it is issued in passport, to the last possible day for the marriage, is 90 days. There is no renewal and no exception accepted; 90 days is it. There are restrictions. No one is allowed more than one fiance visa. If someone has ever gone to the U.S. on a fiance visa, regardless of if they married or did not or were divorced or there was a death, whatever, a second fiance visa is not permitted and will not be issued. Also, from the date of the marriage the person on the fiance visa has another 90 days to start the immigration process, or leave the country permanently; again, no exceptions. If the person leaves the country, for any reason, prior to the marriage (first 90 day rule), they will not be allowed back in the U.S.; no excpetions. If the person on the fiance marries someone other than the petitioner, they are subject to immediate deportation. If the alien fiance has children under 21 years of age, they are allowed to accompany the fiance to the U.S., for the marriage, and their new immigrant life there. If you find the process confusing and are considering assistance, be advised that legal services vary greatly in price (I have seen recent quotes ranging from $1100 to $4500 for a fiance visa; often places handle the paperwork for children, for free). Doing it yourself (the paperwork, that is) does take time and can be confusing - much more so than a 1040 tax return, that is for sure, but the savings are quite a bit.
And this reply
is from someone who has never paid U.S. income taxes and has never been a U.S. citizen.
Irrelevant
I do not need to be paying taxes or be a citizen to understand the various regulations, laws, and the requirements for the granting of U.S. CR1 visas. I have friends who, until recently, worked at the U.S. Embassies in Mexico and Guatemala. The most common reason why U.S. spouse visas are rejected or placed on hold is that the sponsor cannot meet the financial support requirements (the U.S. Congress has raised these more than once in recent years to make it difficult for people to enter the U.S. as immigrants and immediately use social services and other so-called welfare-like programs). This is why the U.S. government created the $65.00 pre-review financal assessment step (National Visa Center, in Portsmouth, NH) for all I-864 AOS documents used in the immigrant visa process; better to get put on hold after spending $65 for the review, than after spending nearly $400 for the final interview and not get the CR1 visa. These are all facts. Ask any U.S. citizen who has married a non-U.S. citizen, and then went to the U.S. as an immigrant. The process is time-consuming, with many steps, and you simply cannot do it if you or a family member hasn't the 3-year tax data and current income to show you (potential immigrant) will not likely become a public charge. Your comments per this question are irrelevant; you simply haven't anything factual or useful to offer, so why offer this other "stuff".
Adrian -- Check Nicaraguan Laws.
You and your partner can not get married in Nicaragua because this country has no "gay weddings".
GIVE IT UP! ____________________________________________________________________
Your usual useless commentary...
Her username is "Amanda" (female), and this person refers to her fiance as "he". Doesnt that make it heterosexual? Guess it doesnt matter, since you are at your best, once again, offering useless "advice" and pointless commentary.
You win.
You get the "blue ribbon" or first prize for the most useless advice and most pointless commentary and the worst English and the most misssspellllled words. ____________________________________________________________________
You posted
about your partner in Honduras and I was not referring to this woman.
Have you no sense about nothing?
Sense?
I have sense. If you did, and used it to grasp the posts made here on nicaliving, then you would know that my partner in Honduras is my business partner (who is a woman, though this fact is not really any of your business, I would think), not my sexual partner (again, not that this too could really be any your business, but that person is my Honduran wife!). Have you nothing better to do that make up such nonsense?
People are coming out of Closet!
People are coming "out of the closet" every day and I have no problem with that.
Just take it easy and tell the truth! ____________________________________________________________________
If he doesnt know..
My guess is that if your fiance does not know how to get married in Nicaragua, and he was deported from the U.S., and he thinks it will be easy to get back into the U.S., and if you want to go live in the U.S., then you are in for a long bit of nightmarish paperwork, and a very, very long wait.
Since he was deported, he will in all likelihood have a time penalty attached to any legal U.S. return, irrespective of your marriage(unless things have changed, 24-60 months depending on nationality and grievance). Who is "they", and how much to charge for what? What is it, exactly, that you want or think people can do? After all, your finance failed to do the one thing he was asked do in the host country, in return for legal work status, and then signed off on a voluntary exit process admitting his failure and probably relinguishing his right to later counter that waver with any sort of alternative paperwork, marriage-related or otherwise. If he doesnt know, you are probably is trouble. TROUBLE, in caps.
well yes i know it will take
well yes i know it will take time and yes it will be hell to go through. I meant "they" the lawyers, do they charge alot like over here..
Coming Back to the US
W/5000 he can be back in the US in 30 days. Since he already has his drivers licence and SSN I imagin in a short time it will be back to business as ususal. Ive seen it too many times. Since he was deported, his chances of coming back to the US legaly is slim.
Hey well hes got the $5000 an
Hey well hes got the $5000 and hes not in nicaragua yet..hes leaving any day now but hes sitting in the US department of homeland security at Krome detention center in Miami......
Very Wrong!
Pete --- You are very wrong. This guy has two chances and not one as you posted.
Chances are #1.Slim and #2.None. _____________________________________________________________________
I don't think you need one
I was told there is no such thing. That is, most any lawyer can just marry you.
Now, if you plan is to then move the two of you to the U.S., that becomes more complicated. Looking the other way, if you are married to a Nicaraguan you get residency. It's a lot more civilized here.
Well thanx for the info. That
Well thanx for the info. That is the plan. To marry him over there and bring him back over here. He was here 14 years and when his work permit expired in 2002 he never renewed it or followed up with immigration to become a resident. He was irrespondsible. So now in May 2005 we had immigration officers knocking on our door and took him. He doesnt want to fight it. He signed a voluntary removal. He thinks he cant get out, which he can but he doesnt want to sit in there during the process. Anyways do you know about how much they would charge?
Dont even think about
Dont even thimk about, telling them about marriage license wich is nothing but an excuese to get inside people pocket from the beurocracy, society will appreciaty come the siplest posible you can, and live the west behind thanks
i dont quite understand what
i dont quite understand what you mean
Mormons.
Don't worry about understanding Esteli. The guy has been around the Mormons too much in Salt Lake. Its all that bicycle riding and tying the neck tie. _____________________________________________________________________
Try making some sense
Try making some sense
Mormons.
That is making sense. I take it that you don't know the Mormons in Nicaragua and Salt Lake City, Utah.
Pete --- Help this woman.
and so what does that have to
and so what does that have to do with anything?
Understanding Esteli.
You asked how to understand "Esteli" and I told you. "Esteli" is well respected on this "Nica Living" website.
You made fun of me and "Esteli". Leave it alone. ___________________________________________________________________