The Story of Stuff

Submitted by fyl on 26 February, 2008 - 15:39.

A pointer to a video called The Story of Stuff was just posted to the Casa Ben Linder list. The message basically just said "you must see this". Ok, I did and it is well worth the 20 minutes.

But, does it have anything to do with Nicaragua? Well, it would be easy to come up with a reason why it did but I wasn't going to post the link here. Then, maybe 2/3 of the way through, the narrator, talking about the U.S., said "National happiness peaked in the 1950s". Click!

I often tell people Nicaragua is like the US in the 1950s except with technology added. While Nicaragua is a victim, both on the production and consumption end, of what is described as the problem in the video, you can also see why a lot of us who lived in the US in the 1950s see the appeal of at least rural Nicaragua.

What do you think?

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Food for thought

is what it is, I think. A good one, thanks Fyl.

Just living is not enough, one must have sunshine, freedom and a little flower - H.C. Andersen

George Carlin - A place for my stuff

Actually this is just a place for my stuff, ya know? That's all, a little place for my stuff. That's all I want, that's all you need in life, is a little place for your stuff, ya know? I can see it on your table, everybody's got a little place for their stuff. This is my stuff, that's your stuff, that'll be his stuff over there. That's all you need in life, a little place for your stuff. That's all your house is: a place to keep your stuff. If you didn't have so much stuff, you wouldn't need a house. You could just walk around all the time. A house is just a pile of stuff with a cover on it. You can see that when you're taking off in an airplane. You look down, you see everybody's got a little pile of stuff. All the little piles of stuff.

And when you leave your house, you gotta lock it up. Wouldn't want somebody to come by and take some of your stuff. They always take the good stuff. They never bother with that crap you're saving. All they want is the shiny stuff. That's what your house is, a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get...more stuff! Sometimes you gotta move, gotta get a bigger house. Why? No room for your stuff anymore.

Did you ever notice when you go to somebody else's house, you never quite feel a hundred percent at home? You know why? No room for your stuff. Somebody else's stuff is all over the goddamn place! And if you stay overnight, unexpectedly, they give you a little bedroom to sleep in. Bedroom they haven't used in about eleven years. Someone died in it, eleven years ago. And they haven't moved any of his stuff! Right next to the bed there's usually a dresser or a bureau of some kind, and there's NO ROOM for your stuff on it. Somebody else's s--- is on the dresser. Have you noticed that their stuff is s--- and your s--- is stuff? God! And you say, "Get that s--- offa there and let me put my stuff down!"

Sometimes you leave your house to go on vacation. And you gotta take some of your stuff with you. Gotta take about two big suitcases full of stuff, when you go on vacation. You gotta take a smaller version of your house. It's the second version of your stuff. And you're gonna fly all the way to Honolulu. Gonna go across the continent, across half an ocean to Honolulu. You get down to the hotel room in Honolulu and you open up your suitcase and you put away all your stuff. "Here's a place here, put a little bit of stuff there, put some stuff here, put some stuff--you put your stuff there, I'll put some stuff--here's another place for stuff, look at this, I'll put some stuff here..." And even though you're far away from home, you start to get used to it, you start to feel okay, because after all, you do have some of your stuff with you.

That's when your friend calls up from Maui, and says, "Hey, why don'tchya come over to Maui for the weekend and spend a couple of nights over here." Oh, no! Now what do I pack? Right, you've gotta pack an even SMALLER version of your stuff. The third version of your house. Just enough stuff to take to Maui for a coupla days. You get over to Maui--I mean you're really getting extended now, when you think about it. You got stuff ALL the way back on the mainland, you got stuff on another island, you got stuff on this island. I mean, supply lines are getting longer and harder to maintain.

You get over to your friend's house on Maui and he gives you a little place to sleep, a little bed right next to his windowsill or something. You put some of your stuff up there. You put your stuff up there. You got your Visine, you got your nail clippers, and you put everything up. It takes about an hour and a half, but after a while you finally feel okay, say, "All right, I got my nail clippers, I must be okay." That's when your friend says, "Aaaaay, I think tonight we'll go over the other side of the island, visit a pal of mine and maybe stay over." Aww, no. NOW what do you pack? Right--you gotta pack an even SMALLER version of your stuff. The fourth version of your house. Only the stuff you know you're gonna need. Money, keys, comb, wallet, lighter, hanky, pen, smokes, rubber and change. Well, only the stuff you HOPE you're gonna need.

From George Carlin, A Place For My Stuff, Brain droppings, 2000.

Doors of hope fly open when doors of promise shut. -Thomas D'Arcy McGee

Be happy - when you got nothing, you got nothing to lose

I can almost always tell the poor from the rich at a distance in Nicaragua and much of latinamerica. Not by how they dress, both groups look sharper than most gringos. The poor smile, laugh and (God bless ‘em) sing, even when they’re not drinking. They seem to have all the time in the world.

The rich have property, stuff, but it’s obvious that it owns them. Stuff has to be cleaned, maintained, garaged, insured, exhibited and generally worried over, otherwise it/they lose value. Like Carroll’s nervous white rabbit in Wonderland their lives are ruled by the clock, for their wealth derives from their integration into the great (now) computational society. It takes a serious application of alcohol, drugs, therapy, recreational sex or an extended retreat to temporarily forget that relationship, stuff = self, and believe themselves free (Kris Kristopherson wrote it right in “Me & Bobbi McGee”), and smile & laugh.

FYI

FYI I like you, you seem like the glue around here or maybe even the engine. However, I could only take a few minutes of that video. It has a seriously slanted, lefty point of view. And who is to say that government Should be bigger than business? I think big government is usually a waste of money? Look at Canada for instance. Canada has to recruit professionals from the third world and then send them to the USA to work to pay taxes so the contry can exist. Anyway, the next message is that we all own too much stuff. I like my stuff thank you. I like my 4x4 so that I can drive to wild places and take neat photos. I like my computer and I love my internet too. Everyone has a choice whether to own stuff or not. Part of the reason capitalism works so well. And I am glad to be one of those too.

You missed the point

Maybe it is a "lefty point of view" that there is not enough material on this planet to make "stuff" for everyone that lives here. Thus, everyone doesn't have a choice, or at least won't have a choice "whether to to own stuff or not".

I certainly have more than my fair share. Living in Nicaragua has helped me realize that I don't need so much that I was sure I had to have but I still have too much. I am, however, getting better.

Here are some of the things I have learned in the last few years:

  • A team of 20-40 Nicaraguans getting paid better than average wages can build a road for less money and using less "stuff" than a bunch of machines.
  • My 4x4 pickup can transport up to 19 people. Stopping along the road to San Nicholas for hitchikers saves stuff and gets me "brownie points".
  • Batteries and solar panels for electricity backup make a lot less noise than a generator and, in the long run, use less stuff.
  • While making cabinas as monolithic domes may look cute, it also saves stuff.
  • An hour and fifty minutes on an express bus to the airport rather than a 3-hour round trip in a vehicle saves a lot of stuff.
  • Fertilizing crops with local waste (from coffee husks to cow caca) and watering with processed grey water saves a lot of stuff.

There is a lot more but I am sure you get the idea. I don't think it is a "leftist thing" to not waste money or resources.

I don't think it is a "leftist thing" to not waste resources

You'd think conserving would be a conservative thing...

"You can't have everything. Where would you put it?"

Steven Wright (1955 - )

unbelievable....

but i got to say it! You are a genius, tacomasteve.

when government grows, liberty yields, thomas jefferson

A cartoon of Leftist propaganda

It reminds me a lot of Al Gore’s movie and the movie “The Corporation” (I saw it in Toronto a few years ago) and Chompsky’s website, and, yes, much commentary here on NL. Which is not to say that they don’t contain some truths, nor that I ignore them. But they offend the scientist in me for their lack of balance, the shortcomings of their show of objectivity. So I like to hear what the other extreme has to say, likewise it’s propaganda twisted into a helix of the opposite handedness, and then think for myself, which is not to say decide, for there is often too little solid data presented in political-speak.

Guru, your comment on 'happiness' tweaks my mojo. I'll post my thoughts in a bit.

their lack of balance,

Why should Chomsky post dissenting views on his own web site? After all he is right (or is he left?) If you want a counterbalance to indy documentaries turn on Fox News or any corporate media...The Fairness Doctrine has gone the way of the buffalo...

"The people will believe what the media tells them they believe." --George Orwell

I do turn them on ...

occasionally, and briefly, until the turning of their screws pinches a lobe. You're saying what I believe I meant when I wrote that six months ago. Views, opinions, and commentaries are necessarily subjective, that is, personal interpretations, and can be informative, but often must be refitted to the circumstances or to one's own mind. Behind, and beyond, comments is something, be it past or current events, or merely the 'facts' of the topic discussed. To integrate many different viewpoints is to approach the objective truth. That I seek. Science is the quest for reliable knowledge.

Stuff, or private property, is the fundamental philosophical, historical and social concept that Karl Marx wrestled with that evolved into 'Das Kapital' & 'The Communist Manifesto'. Many today feel either guilt or envy about the unequal distribution of stuff. And it’s the pursuit of stuff that best motivates people to work hard.

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"Government has no other end but the preservation of Property." - John Locke

"How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us." - Chief Seattle

And it’s the pursuit of stuff that best motivates people to work

That must be why I don't work any more...:-)

They don't get it. Can't they comprehend that not everything is done for a paycheck? That sometimes you just make a thing 'cause you wanna see how it'll turn out, 'cause you have a feeling it oughta be made?

.... Tom Robbins

Advertising tries to stimulate our sensuous desires, converting luxuries into necessities, but it only intensifies man's inner misery. The business world is bent on creating hungers which its wares never satisfy, and thus it adds to the frustrations and broken minds of our times.

-Archbishop Fulton Sheen (1895-1979), Lift Up Your Heart, 1942

There are two ways to get enough: one is to continue to accumulate more and more. The other is to desire less.

-G.K. Chesterton (1874-1936)

It’s psychological warfare

and we have no choice but to get smarter, or follow the carrot dangling from the stick, ...

except maybe to move to Nicaragua

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Advertising signs that con you

Into thinking you're the one

That can do what's never been done

That can win what's never been won

Meantime life outside goes on

All around you.

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It's only people's games that you got to dodge

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- Bob Dylan, “It’s Alright, Ma (I’m Only Bleeding)”

very interesting...

but it made me depressed.

I think I need a new I-Pod...or a plasma tv.. ;)

-Doug

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate