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What are some of the problems Americans have run into buying property?Submitted by jacques on 19 May, 2005 - 16:06.
How do I avoid those problems? Are there ANY restrictions or special hoops to jump through to find and buy land on the water as compared inland? What are some of the previous problems that Americans have experienced in the purchase and/or securing of title? Any horror stories out there? The embassy told me they have 800 unresolved cases of unsure titles and people getting screwed by "con guys". How do I find land on the Pacific Coast to purchase without going through an inflated American Realty CO? Surely there has to be land for sale that is not on the internet yet. How do I find it? So want to find waterfront property to buy (50 - 100 MZ) but other than the obvious online searches do any of you on this Forum know someone I can talk to? Somone in the know out there who maybe knows farmers that want to sell their land? I would really appreciate any help in this matter. Thank you and Bless you all. Jacques ( categories: )
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Buying pacific frontage land
There is ocean frontage land for sale but most of it is a government lease, some of it is indian held land, (may or may not be able to register it as titled fee simple), and some is already titled and legalized. The best way to find a decent deal is to hire a facilitator to work for you in searching out the land that is not already with over inflated prices. The difficulty of finding the bigger parcel that you are looking for depends on what area you are interested in buying. For example south coast is quite difficult to find the bigger piece. This is not to say that it can't be done. I do know of farmers and contact people who know about properties that the realtors have not gotten hold of and jacked the prices up on. With Daniel winning the election maybe some of the prices will come down due to weakening demand because of investor worries and uncertainty with his policies and administration. I frankly don't think his term as president will adversely affect the buying of land in this last frontier of Central America.
Problems Americans have in Purchasing property
Thinking they are in America
Not doing their homework
Using a real estate agent (50% to 300% and more markups)
6 mz (10.5 +/- acres with a small nice house) down the road from me went to a man from New York. I was trying to get it before our next trip but he offered more than I did. (I offered $8,200 (asking price) and he offered $48,000. My daughter talked to Don Julio the original owner and he is very happy to get $10,000 for his land and home. I guess the real estate agent got a real good deal!
Buying property in Nicaragua
When you get into water front property it is a mixed bag. Most of it is a government concession of either the Mayor's office or in some cases the indigineous culture. It just is not standardized. There are some problems in one case a real big problem with ocean front indian property in the Tola area. To find 50 to 100 manzanas of ocean front in the sw region of Nicaragua would be almost impossible. Up north it could be done but the climate is much more difficult being so hot with little or no wind currents. I am a facilitator and know the right people to dig up what is available in the sw section of the country. Check out the website fylz.com/nicare which Phil set up for us. I know of many more properties for sale but have not had the time to get them onto the site.
Shane
Hey, Sam. Are the listings on the site current and accurate or just filler while the Web site is under construction?
Shane
Hi Shane, All the listings on the site are real and I am attempting to keep them up to date and with reliable information on them.
It Seemed Simple...
...but I just purchased a small piece of land between Masaya and Granada. My problems were with the topographers. I won't go into details, but these guys were way off and gave me the plans 3 times claiming they were correct. However, each time I received plans from them the measurements were DIFFERENT! Be careful and don't let anyone pull the wool over your eyes. Bad excuses and outright lying seem to be acceptable in Nicaragua for things done incorrectly. Most people are not held accountable for bad workmanship and their pride gets in the way of admitting fault.
Don't get me wrong, the majority of people in Nicaragua are fine craftsman and very good people. I just had a very bad experience with 2 and am still pissed about it.
Other than this experience, I love Nicaragua and will stay here the rest of my life if I can.
CaPoNE2113
property
if you do buy property, get tittle insurance. also make sure there is no conflicts, use your lawyer never use theirs.
in Nicaragua the seller pays the transfer taxes, make sure he pays you.
your property is not yours until you have transfer the title at the goverment office call reguistro, is where all the books are being kept.
when you see the property make sure also it is completle fence, and before you buy, have someone or yourself talt to the people around to make sure the property owner is the one selling you.
if you can, pay them part of the $ then move in, after a couple month's pay them the rest. this is done easily with a legal paper that you promisse to pay them x amount of money at an esfecific time. promesa de venta. promess to sell...
there is allot of good price property around. look around with time...
take time
juan c teran
ahh. I recall someone that has a swath of land on the beach
I havent talked to this particular guy in a few years but I can go by his house on a visit to Jinotepe and ask him if his land is still available.
Supposedly he inherited about 400 manzanas Ocean front, Somewhere in the souther half of the Pacific coast. I honestly have no details besides that, if its true.
He mentioned to us if we had any business ideas for the beach but didnt have the money to buy the land he would consider some kind of business deal.
In anycase the guy is not well off and maybe for the right price he would sell some of it to you.
what are some of the problems americans have in buying property
It will real difficult to find a large tract of ocean front in the southern zone. There are some concession lots available at good prices. In the northern zone a larger piece could be found. You can avoid the big problem of buying something that is contested relatively easily by using a good attorney. The problem of using realtors with inflated commissions built in can be avoided by not going with those realtors. I can help with that.
I was very lucky, I found my land
because my son was living in Nicaragua last winter and the owner was a friend of his. I was in exactly the position you were in, I wasn't in Nicaragua but I wanted to own land... I never though I'd find something on the Pacific Ocean, but I did. There are several lots left. I liked it much better than SJDS because SJDS is in the middle of no where.. my land is 20 minutes outside Leon on a beautiful clean white sandy beach in Salinas Grande. I know he has a few lots left. If you have any interest in contacting him or my lawyer (honest, good people) I'll send you the #'s.
Sheila
Have a contractor for you
I am a Nicaraguan. I have a land in Managua KM 11 Carretera vieja Leon. My two brothers (an architect and an engineer) are building my house now. I am looking forward to move back in 2008 or before. Two bedrooms, one office, a living room and dining room and a lot with 40 something fruit trees. I can’t wait to move back. I just need to find a job (volunteering or paying). Any ideas?
Job
Now you know how it all works and you can make your job guiding people moving to Nicaragua through the entire process, from purchasing land to building.
Good Catholic family
Used to be, a good Catholic family had at least a doctor, a lawyer, a priest for sons. Now it's an architect, a contractor, and a realtor.
john, don't understand,
but maybe bc i am not that good a catholic, oh i'm a 4th degree kc, went to catholic grade school and high school. but i married a baptist. i became a lawyer bc i had one help me with a personal injury case as an 18 year old. (the lawyer was incompetent.) now i have relationships with two partners i invest with, a banker, and my money manager. i guess that makes me a capitalist, and not a good one.
Issues with Land
My house in granada has a small peice of the land next door where a I planned to put a garage... Well the land was recently sold. It only has what is called Derecho de Posicion/Right to posess. I have a full blown escritura from 2 previous owners.
Now the new owner is jumping up and down saying that he has never seen an L shaped property before and therefore all the land is his. My lawyers (2 of them) assure me that I am secured. But this dis not stop the new owners to put up a fence to block my access to the land.
Titles here, even what seems to be very clean, usually have some story behind them, and if ever someone wants to dispute it, they can... Even if they do not win, it means you have to either put a law suite or defend against one... Which means at least 6 months of headaches.
The good news is lawyers are not that expensive, and if you have the patience, then usually the other people will ook to settel rather and fight and incure legal fees ( unless the property s very valuable of course)
Real Estate info
In case anyone is interested, I just started a Nicaraguan Yahoo Discussion group. I'm a land owner in Nicaragua - not associated with any real estate company.
The Group is an open forum for potential and current investors in Nicaragua, with a special interest in real estate.
My husband and I live in the U.S. but have navigated the real estate maze to become recent land and condo-owners in Nicaragua. I started this forum to swap stories with other land owners, answer (and ask) key questions and serve as a resource for others looking to do some investing in this wonderful country.
You can join here if you'd like: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/investingnicaragua/join
allison
Hello Allison
I signed up for your website and have been on pending approval for rather long. Hope I can get approved.
Thank you Charlie
George - You are Incorrect
Allison - I certainly appreciate your interest in Nicaragua and owning land here. George has seen so many posts here on NicaLiving to make him doubt all, and one day all of us will get past that conception.
Is your condo in Managua? I really hope that you enjoy the condo and life in Nicaragua is very good and I hope that you love the life as much as I love the living in Nicaragua. ____________________________________________________________________
Anhudgins this is the third.....
post saying the same thing.....sounds like you are selling something....ahhhh possibly real estate that you own.....possibly the property you own could be sold on your great discussion group.
who are these people within your discussion group. big time investors with no real knowledge of nicaragua that you are going to educate. its been done......look at costa rica you sound just like the opportunists that i talked with over the internet.....
for some reason decided not to pursue relocating to costa rica.....started sounding to much like USA....your doing the same thing here it sounds like to me. this forum is not suppose to be a sales pitch from people like you.
you are quite wrong
i have no agenda other than helping other people out who are looking to buy land. I am a mother of 2 young children and a political consultant in washington dc - nothing at all to do with nicaragua. I recently purchased a lot and a condo in Nicaragua and am absolutley not interested in selling. In fact, I just closed on the lot and won't close on the condo for probably 7-8 months.
I am merely trying to serve as a resource for others looking to do the same. I have no association with any real estate company. And in fact, I am gauging to see if there's even any interest in such a discussion group.
If you don't want to join, please don't. In all honesty if you're not looking for real estate information in Nicaragua, the group isn't for you anyway.
Don't take all
I do appreciate your interest in my country. Please do not make it one other Costa Rica. Get people that will give something back to Nicaragua. Buy a land and be a good neighbor. Find people who love the country and its people, and not people who just want a cheap place to retire.
if i am wrong i stand.....
corrected and i apologize.
i am a political consultant also....only problem i dont have anyone to consult with....
because i am very very very wary of politics and land developers anywhere.....(mostly the US for that is all that i know) i open my mouth say what i think then do alot of apologies.
Planos
On any sale there should be a plan showing the property borders and you should make sure it is officially recorded when you do the Escritura. You should then be clean.
When I bought this place I thought it was done but it was an old one and there was a change. The change was in my favor but it needed to be done. I think it cost about C$800 and all was well.
The trouble with Planos
I have one... Not so Old done about 7 years ago.... They have one too, done about 4 years ago.... The trouble with those is that they taken from the Escritura.... ,the dimensions mentioned therein. So at the end everyone is still left wondering.
My Problem about BuyingProperty.
I have been offered many great and legitimate deals on beautiful property in Nicaragau. These properties would have been great for eco-tourism and tourist related projects.
The only problem that I have ever had about buying property in Nicaragua was lack of money. :-) ____________________________________________________________________
searching for title to father's house in Granada!
Hi, forgive the only-partial connection to this topic...I don't know how to start a new topic!. Anyway, here's the issue: My recently eceased father Sherman Davies built a house near the lake in Granada in the mid-90's, and after finally being beaten down by the crazy reality of Nicaragua apparently packed a single suitcase and took a plane back the the States never to return, leaving the house and his belongings behind. It just occured to me that technically speaking I've inherited his *hypothetical* home there, although it is almost certainly destroyed by the hurricane and/or squatted in and/or....? I don't have a great desire to reclaim it, but thought I might come down to see it as a way to revisit things a year after his death. Does anyone have any knowledge of him, his house (I remember there were only a handful of resident american's in Granada when I visited and they all knew each other), or suggestions? thanks much you can email me at cupofcarrotjuice@yahoo.com
Finding it should be easy
Go to the Alcaldia with your story. They should have a record of ownership. Nothing particularly special there. You should be able to get a copy of the plot info for about nothing.
I would then go look at what is there/supposed to be there and maybe talk to some neighbors to get a better idea of what you have/might have before getting an attorney involved. That is, it if looks like nothing, skip it.
Expect the attorney stuff to be a mess just because you will be trying to show that you own it based on the combination of a missing Escritura and a death certificate and will from the U.S. Attorneys are cheap so that isn't the problem but you may have a lot of U.S. homework to do to get stuff rolling.
If you would rather "do this remotely", you might contact Veronica Valle. She is a friend and very trustworthy. Her contact info in on this site and you can search for it. She is not far from Granada and has done document search stuff before.
Title search
I good starting point might be the following individual: Roger Ramirez,the owner of One on One Tutoring located on Calle La Calzada (the boulevard that leads from the side of the cathedral to the lake). You'll find the school on the south side of the street with a small sign overhanging the entrance. Roger is bilingual and trustworthy, and could recommend the appropriate attorney. But after that be ready for bureaucracy like you've never experienced.
just a caution on low bank beachfront land . . .
Jacques, they have had some rather serious tsunami damage in Nicaragua as recently as 1992.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/hazard/slideset/26/26_captions.shtml
That's why I bought up on a hill overlooking the beach, not the beach itself. There are spots with a high bank (like a short cliff) overlooking the beach. Those are nice. Good luck!
rgds,
-web
That is Correct!
I live in Puerto Cabezas. No hurricanes or earthquakes for the last 200 years.
Knock on Wood
Might mean its long overdue.
You Know What "Adrian" Did?
In recorded history, El Salvador had not been affected by a Pacific hurricane. This week, "Hurricane Adrian" did not realize that he was suppossed to go to Mexico and walloped Salvador.
The South Atlantic Coast of Nicaragua did have a very destructive hurricane, "Joan" ("Juanna"). in 1988, and I think that the one before that was in 1942, which was born before hurricanes were named. Hurricane naming started in 1953 with women's names only. Of course, now with equal rights for all; hurricanes have been named for men and women since 1979.
Maybe a hurricane is due for the North Atlantic Coast of Nicaragua. One thing the North Atlantic Coast has going for it to avoid a hurricane is that we have no "trailer parks" (mobile home parks) in the region. It always seems like the hurricanes target those areas first and cause the most damage there..... Knock --- Knock. ____________________________________________________________________
Pacific Waterfront Acreage
Property for residential ocean frontage developement has been in demand for some time - ten or more years at least. There are a substantial number of lots already developed in the Tolas area and an association of developers to represent their lobby for an improved coastal highway. The longest term gringo real estate folks are Dale Dagger in San Juan Del Sur and Steve Snider of www.sniderrealty.com Either one if them ,if they are not surfing, can tell you what is going on. I just bought a lot [not acreage]just south of El Transito in a developement called Cumbres de Montecristo in Dept. of Leon. This developement is being done by a long term Nicaraguan unlike a lot of the Tolas developements being done by Danish, International companies,etc. There are a lot of projects on line from what I could tell. Hope this helps.
developing coastal properties
Not to be unkind, but how much have you developer folks thought about the environmental impact of developing coastal property? We have quickly despoiled much of the world's 'undeveloped' coastline, and what may seem like a beautiful single person's home (or money-maker) can mean the destruction of an ecosystem and loss of a beautiful place to visit for thousands of others. I think you are in very dangerous territory when you consider new roads and new developments in this very over-populated world. Sorry if this is an uncomfortable topic.
See http://www.nicaliving.com
See http://www.nicaliving.com/book/view/454 for the information. Any natural person can own real property in Nicaragua as can any Nicaraguan corporation. There is nothing special about your citizenship.
Buying land in Nicaragua
You don't need a cedula or Nicaraguan ID to buy land. I bought property in Carazo and all I needed was my US passport.
first thing
You need a cedula, or a Nicaraguan Id, to make goverment transaction, Im Nicaraguan and I could not buy property till I got my cedula. now if you are going to buy a lot or a small piece of land for a house, that is no problem of price inflattion, but if you are looking for a bigger size of land like the one you mention you are gona be dealing mostly to a savy landlord, and probably he is experience on who is the buyer.like the us embassy told you, you might buy a piece of land and latter you are going to be dealling with about 10 people teling you they are the real owner and taking you to court etc, I have a trouble with my own property that I have own for more than 20 years. so like other post have said, come to Nicaragua stay a while renting see if Nicaragua is for you get to know people and latter dive to the watter once you know there isnt a rock or a havy tree inside the brown watter. walk into the watter first as far as your belly bottom, or as high as your tit if your agresive and a good swimer, but for your sake dont dive.
Check the recorderds office
To see who has owned the land for the last 25 years. Usually a lawyer does that for you but you can do it yourself. If it has ever been owned by a sandinista takeover, a cooperative or if it is indiginous land, beware. Also a lawyer will check the stamps on the property papers because different charges are applied for the paperwork of different types of ownership...... I once was going to buy a house and my lawyer looked at the paperwork but was suspicious because it had the wrong price (I think it was 5 cordorbas instead of 10) for the paper. Turned out the owner owned the house but the property was owned by a coop meaning you could buy the house but any member of the coop not signing could reclaim the property.
Canta no LLores
Cedula
Esteli, did you have your cedula before you left? Has anyone tried to get one while living in the US?
cedula
Yes. Me.
Avoiding future claims on your Nicaraguan land
Esteli,
Thank you for your wisdom. I am particularly interested in knowing more about your experience with purchasing land and later dealing with people taking you to court with claims that they are the "real owners" of the land.
My understanding is that there are two types of challenges which cause current disputes over "who the real owner is".
1. During the 1940-1979 era, Those important military families who fought against Samosa (dictator) were given land by the government.
2. During the 1979-1990 era, land was taken by the Sandinista's making it "Sandinista land". Today, the rightful owners of that property have gone through a legal process to take ownership back and prove this legally.
My questions: A.) Are these the primary reasons that other people claim that they are the real owners of your land?
B.) Knowing what you now know... what could you have done differently (with attorneys) to ensure that you did not buy land where this might happen.
C.) With land that is associated with the two challenges I listed above, is there a legal process that expert attorneys could go through to make this "problem" go away?
You are very kind for sharing.
.........
The departmental recorders office has all the info on prior owners of the property. any decent lawyer can usually spot any possible problems with title from there. There are a few lawyers I know who actually specialize in this area. However, anyone can sue so there is no guarantee that you wont have to go to court.
Nice!
Esteli, where were you when I got married? I could have used the advice! That was great..
"Latter dive to the watter once you know there isnt a rock or a havy tree inside the brown watter. walk into the watter first as far as your belly bottom, or as high as your tit if your agresive and a good swimer, but for your sake dont dive."
Al Hombres in Port:
I have friends in Puerto Cabezas that need this advice and I will pass this post from "Esteli"along to them.
Thank you Esteli
Thank you for you reply and comment.