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Mightylight Solar Light (or comparable product ?)Submitted by mjt on 27 October, 2007 - 22:46.
I first saw a magazine article on this light a year or two ago (was then part of an anti-kerosene campaign in India, etc.). When I was last in Guatemala I saw a few people with these solar-powered adjustable lights. I have since heard that they are in Mexico and Panama, too. I have not seen one in Honduras where I am, and was curious if anyone has seen one in Nicaragua, or if there is a “distributor” or seller there? More information can be found here: http://www.cosmosignite.com/ This is not meant to be an endorsement of the product, and I am equally curious about any competitor's products being available in Honduras or Nicaragua. Note that the light name is often misspelled Mightylite or MightyIgnite - the latter being a miscombination of the company name (Cosmos Ignite Innovations) and product (Mightylight). ( categories: )
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More info
I received some more information from the manufacturer (but nothing about distributors/becoming one--grumble). First, it appears that most of the distribution is from NGOs. This, of course, isn't surprising.
The information I received contained a lot of examples of "projects". One such project is in Panama where the units are being rented for $2/month. That is probably less than the cost of batteries or candles for most people.
This made me think about the solar panel issue. Solar panels get cheaper the bigger they are. At 100W, the price here in Nicaragua is around $6/watt. I am thinking that a community project might be to place a 100W panel on the roof of a school, community center of small store, rent the lights and offer a free "plug in to charge" station.
This, of course, doesn't depend on this particular unit. The idea just depends on cooperation to attain a common goal.
MIGHTY COSTLY
At least $65 for one solar powered flashlight? That's US dollars. And that's IF SHIPPING by UPS from India to Nicaragua and INSURANCE costs only $10. The package weighs 3 pounds. That's equal to 1200 Cordovas, a month's wages for many people I talked with there, in the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere (of planet Earth folks! Hello?).
___Those Indians built into this light a 3.6v, 2500mAh rechargeable NiMH battery. It's the sort used in camcorders. In the user's manual's troubleshooting section it states, (If) "Light does not come on even after proper charging: Batteries need to be changed. Replace with new battery pack." Guess what, the warranty does not cover the battery. The cheapest I could find on the net was at eBay for $27.
___They use a 1W LED lamp, which puts out up to 45 lumens (source: RayOVac). A 1W LED flashlight (RayOVac) costs $5 at a US WalMart, batteries included, which states 100 hours of use on the one set of batteries.
___For "people who lack access to any electrical grid"? (God bless them, for it means they live without TV.) A candle puts out 12.6 lumens. Think of what Ruben Dario, and the rebels Jefferson & Madison and the upstart lawyer Lincoln accomplished with candlelight, and, of course, daylight and a good night's rest. What should most concern the poor latinamericans without electricity, or the means to pay for it, is energy for cooking their beans & rice. In lands graced with abundant sunlight, that could be accomplished with homemade solar reflectors.
___NL, I just don't get it, do I? I am stupid. These are marketed to gadget-hungry gringos, g-USANOS if you will, who run cash-loaded NGOs & GOs bent on "charity" work in the "third world". Shame on me.
It Has Potential
If you assume that a typical family uses about 1 liter of kerosene per week for lighting, that's about $50 per year. This light will pay for itself in a little over a year. After that it's a $5 battery change every two years or so. The savings are significant. Assuming the light is designed well and not abused it should last many many years. One also must assume that this light can be a family's sole light source (i.e. it outperforms a kerosene lantern in all applications). Surprisingly, I have not been able to find independent reviews of this light.
Also, if you look at the market prices for the individual components of this light system, you will see that it is quite reasonably priced (assuming they used decent quality parts). If these lights could be made available on a rent-to-own or similar basis, more people could acquire them.
All 1W LEDs are not created equal. The cheapest ones are only a couple times more efficient than incandescents while the best ones are about 7 times.
Anyone who has tried to read by candle or kerosene lantern knows how difficult it is and would I think greatly appreciate an LED lantern such as this one.
Price, Practical, ...
First, I agree it is a lot of money for your average Nicaraguan living in the middle of nowhere with no grid access. It is not likely they will put together the money to buy one. But, someone might give them one.
Is it a fair price? Yes. I don't know about RayOVac flashlights but to have a 1W light with 100 hours of life, you are talking a pretty big battery. If you assume 3.6V, that means over .25A/hour. 100 hours means over 25 ampere hours--well beyond the capacity of even D-size batteries. Now, what I do know about is that a non-focused 1W LED light costs about $8 in the US, $3 from the manufacturer in China plus shipping, duty, ... . A focused one (spot light) costs a bit more.
The regular one is not bright enough to read by but the spot is. Thus, the focus function of the light is important if you want to use it to read as well as a room light.
As for solar panels, the smallest I found was 5W (the one with the light is 2.5W). The 5W one costs $60. A 3.6V, 2.5Ah battery is just three typical AA-size NiMH batteries--cheap.
The three light levels seem important with the small battery and small solar panel. This means at least a bit of intelligence. They said "computer" which means a $1 chip. No biggie.
So, the price seems ok. The value is the final question. If someone lives in the middle of nowhere it is likely they won't "slip down to the store" and buy some batteries. Even if they can, they are going to be in the "food or light" mode.
100-hour, 1w, LED flashlight = $5
The $5 Rayovac LED flashlight is not a 1 watt LED (though it is easy to mistake it as such, since it looks a lot like one of their 1 watt LED units - but that one is $22, but it also is not a 100-hour unit). In fact, the $5 light is one of the few Rayovac products that does not list what the LED component is. They make two different cheap 100-hour LED flashlights. One uses 3xAA, the other 3xAAA alkalines.
Most LED flashlight packaging either touts the number of hours you are alleged to get (without indicating that it isn't very bright) or how bright it is (without indicating how many hours you get out of the alkalines). When flashlight packaging boldly lists both, and it is impressive, you are usually looking at lithium batteries, and often #123 lithium camera batteries. The drawback is that a pair of these can run $8-12.
Most people will not, by choice, live in the dark. They know how pathetic candles are. That is why, if they can afford it, they use kerosene lanterns - which are not cheap, and can be dangerous. If they cannot go that route, then they often use car batteries, which require a tiny charge fee but also bus fare to get them there, and they can be cracked in transit. Alkalines are not a cost-effective answer, though they might be tempting to people who cannot gather the funds for a kaerosene lantern or some other alternative. Not all LED flashlights are created equal, and anything really cheap might be a big disapointment if you dangle if from your ceiling. There is no doubt the unit is expensive, especially to people in the developing world. If they were mildly popular in a particular area, then pulperias could sell battery packs - as they do in India & Pakistan & Afghanistan, as would the people selling the light itself. The batteries are not expensive - though they might be at a Nicaraguan Radio Shack or Kodak Lab.
Maybe a nice totalitarian or communist
government to tell the factories what to make and what prices to charge ? ;)
Or several, Carnegies, Buffets, and Gates subsidizing the prices to make them more affordable ?
-Doug
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
Gadget-hungry gringos
Why would anyone pay $27 + shipping for 3x 1.2/2500mah NiMH batteries off ebay? You must not know what this is. I have to asume this, if you actually think they work to power camcorders. If your camcorder ever needs a backup power supply, you might want to take a pass on the little NiMH's that make the 3.6v pack, though it would be tempting to buy them since depending on where they are made and the markee on them, they can be less than $0.90 each (and even less to a distributor of a product using them).
you got it - eventually
There IS a solution for people living in the campo. Sunlight, trees, streams, beans and rice.
There is no recorded case of a country with a high birthrate and a high percentage of poor turning around the situation for the existing poor.
There are plenty of recorded instances of a country turning around after a birthrate drop and after the older generation have died off due to war, starvation, mass emigration, genocide, disease, old age.
There are also instances where the uber-priviledged have the veneer of a good society as they ride on the backs of the poor. That is, apparently, the present and future of Nicaragua.
Sustainable village
has some nice products too;
http://www.thesustainablevillage.com/servlet/display/product/detail/3187...
-Doug
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
and some
proud prices. or does it pay for itself?
Costs
In theory, though anyone could buy and use one, they are for people who lack access to any electrical grid. So, for them, it is not a matter of the light being more cost-effective than their electric lights in the home, since their home lacks electricity. It is a means to having light without using old car batteries (heavy, and need to be transported to a charger) or kerosene (expensive, and can be dangerous, too). It is true that they are pricey, some more than others. Whether or not they are worhtwhile would depend on how badly one wanted or needed light, but also on how durable the light is; if it is easily broken it can't be a good value in the developing world. Even if the light were down to $40 in price, that is still a lot of money to the people who would most benefit from the device.
Makes sense
I looked at their page and ended up asking them if they have a distributor here. The product makes a lot os sense.
I have some 1W LED lights here. They are bright enough to read by.
Shipping
I am sure things have changed but when this outfit first started out the shipping costs from India were very high (didn't matter all that much if you bought 10 units or 100). I didn't know if that has changed. I suspected that having an official in-country distributor came with some reductions. The people in Mexico did not even know many details about the light, so I assume they were not distributed via some church group or non-profit organization. And, at the same time, they price they indicated seemed too low, so I though perhaps this was one of those programs where someone in a developed country buys one as a gift or donation, and the extra funds from their full-price payment is used to greatly lower the cost for a family buying one in a developing country. This is just a guess though. I tried to find a competing product and didn't have much success. Parts are readily available for most things, but it is the heavy-duty light that seems to set it apart.
the suspense is killing me
DO they have a distributor? If so, whom? If not, when do you start and whats your terms and condition? Is there an opportunity for someone here? is it a worthwhile product, can you make your 1 watt LEDS into a competetive product that could be locally produced?