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Ortega Speaks to UN General AssemblySubmitted by fyl on 26 September, 2007 - 07:19.
The previous link points to an AP article on Ortega's speech at the UN. Reuters offers another, similar article. While the articles are similar, the lack of context here only shows a lot of "Ortega is X" messages from NL members. I would like to offer some of the context so maybe we can actually talk about what was said and why.
For those that see this as "Ortega is attacking his biggest trading partner", you don't need to respond here. He is, that is true. For those that see this a another "anti-US" post, you are missing the point. This post is about what "the other people" see and why. Some people may be happy with the direction of US foreign policy (for the last 100 years), I am not. I would rather suggest what is wrong and hope the government can be re-directed rather than continue in a direction that only encourages the creation of a bigger bully. Ok, here we go. In his first speech to the U.N. General Assembly for 18 years, Ortega said U.S. leaders continued to dictate what was right or wrong "as if they were God", while poor countries were still afflicted by "oppression and violence and terror".He was speaking about two hours after George Bush spoke, criticized a lack of human rights in Iran, North Korea, Cuba and other states. Ortega also said, the US "dictated the world economic order" and he questioned why the US, the only country who has used nuclear weapons, has the right to dictate why it should get to control other countries access to nuclear technology and, if they want, weapons. Ortega also said the world is a more dangerous place today than 18 years ago. Finally, Ortega said the General Assembly reflected a world where "a capitalist and imperialist minority is imposing global capitalism to impoverish the world, continue to enslave us all and promote apartheid against Latin American immigrants and against African immigrants in Europe". Now, we could all go down the list of actions each country has taken that is "anti-democratic". All of them (and that certainly includes Nicaragua, China and Cuba as well as the US) would end up with a long list. A second column of check marks could indicate which actions were taken for national interest. What I mean here is to promote your nation at the expense of another. Sure, there will be lots of "gray areas" here but that is where you can see why Ortega (and many other world leaders) are either "saying it the way it is" or keeping quiet in hope that the US won't stomp on them. Let's toss out some clear examples. US Actions in Their National Interest
There are so many more. In each case, if you treated the nation as "your equal" (meaning it was a sovereign nation and you should not get involved in internal affairs), it is impossible to justify any of these actions with the possible exception of the trade embargoes. That is, you can decide whether to trade with someone or not. Beyond that, it seems like the school playground. Play with those you like and let others play with who they like. Compared to ChinaThe US likes to label China as anti-democratic (but also likes to buy lots of stuff from them). Yes, there is lots to criticize in the internal operation of China but, that's internal. The most "imperialist" action I can think of China taking is selling AK-47s to the US to arm the Contras in the 1980s. Most would see that as Free Market Capitalism rather than imperialism.The point: while the government of China is far from a perfect world citizen, its defects tend to be internal. If the US was concerned with human rights, it should embargo trade with China rather than grant it most favored nation trading status. Ortega's ViewBack to where we started, what Ortega said to the UN General Assembly. He spoke after George Bush picked on the internals of some nations. He could have said nothing. I guess "acted more like Panama" might be a good comparison as Panama isn't in CAFTA, tends to nod in agreement when the US government screams and yells and then do whatever they see as best for their national interest.Ortega didn't do that. He described the US he sees. He didn't talk about the "internal scams" of the US from Enron, Boeing followed by Halliburton "white collar welfare" and such but about what it is like out here for the little guy. How US actions that promote the best interests of the US itself hurt developing nations. Now, maybe Ortega is wrong but lots of people in the world share this perception. Isn't it about time that rather than shooting the messenger, the US see what it can do to become a better world citizen? This doesn't mean not acting in its national interest--just considering the consequences. Here are a couple of examples.
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FYL's post on Ortega's speech
While generally speaking I tend to agree with your synopis there were a couple points that you missed. First was your defining China as non-imperialistic. The citizens of Tibet would hardly agree, nor would some of the Mongolians -nor would most of the nations of SE ASIA who lived under China's suzerainity as vassal nations paying tribute to China for close to 1500 years. The latter nations look with growing alarm at China's rise today and wonder at their claims to Sovereignty to all of the South China Sea and all it's resources. Russia has more to worry about than anyone since there are more than 1.3 billion people in the Chinese homeland and another 600 million persons of Chinese descent living in SE ASIA. China needs the raw resources since it has few of its own and Siberia lies just to the north and has all the raw resources China wants and the population of native Russians there is quite small.Already underway is a major shift in population of Chinese nationals living in Siberia. China just needs to play a waiting game which they do well.
On Ortega and his speech it was basically in line with what Chavez and Ahmadinejad had to say. I am no fan of either but as you put it there is considerable substance to what they had to say.
I listened to all the Mr. Iran's speech and thought he made many valid points about the USA's faults and our arrogance in world affairs.Those who have the "my country -right or wrong" attitude would not have listened with an open mind, and there is little point in speaking to a closed mind be it Mr. Ahmadinejad's, or those of own home grown variety.I have just a great of fear of the religous rightwing extremists of the US as I do of the religous extremists of Islam. They are cut from the same cloth, neither has any concern about real democracy, and given the opportunity, either or both, will take us all to hell in a handbasket. I am pro-American and pro-Israel but I am not anti-Muslim because of it.The anti-Muslim propaganda campaign now being waged by the news outlets and government of the United States harms our own national interests in world affairs much more than it helps. The rhetoric reminds me of nothing so much as the MCCarthy/Nixon Communist witchhunt of the 1950's.
Will we, the American people, and through us our national government, change the rhetoric of threats and war for one of open dialogue and conflict resolution, through fair negotiation-it is doubtful. We have bled every American generation of young people of the last 60 years since the end of WW II in foreign wars-it is likely we will continue.
One of the best reads that I know of is the words of Samuel P. Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations?" published back in 1993. It should be reccommended reading for every American who cares about the future of his/her country. Here's the link: http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Politics/Huntington-Clas...
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There was nothing to gain by Mr. Ortega's speech at the U.N. yesterday, instead, it could have detrimental consequences to the Nica's population.
Mr. Ortega was not elected by the Iranians, the Cubans or the Venezuelan peoples, imo, he should not become a mouth-piece for those countries.
It was the wrong speech, given a the wrong time and to the wrong audience, the U.N. delegates don't need to be lectured on the US-Latin American historical relations.
Mr. Ortega, could've been more pragmatic and less rhetoric.
Al
I agree!
But the truth is Nica and Danny boy have nothing much to offer Iran, Venezuala, Cuba, Libya etc except Danny's mouth and butt kissing speeches.
Face it though, until he is gone by one method or the other, I doubt Danny boy will be making many speeches that do not lambast the "Empire."